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Re:WeWTF by arcticbull on Saturday August 17, 2019 @08:54PM (#20727472)
FYI, the term non-PC is mental gymnastics for “being a dick” so I suppose you’re arguing we should be bigger dicks to each other.

IMO, you should be yourself, unless you’re a dick in which case, don’t be yourself. It may feel oppressive to you, but frankly, I don’t ... care, and neither does the rest of society which is why your approach doesn’t get you far. Hopefully this framing is illustrative.

Re:WeWTF by DoreenMichele on Saturday August 17, 2019 @09:37PM (#20727669)
An ironic statement given that "dick" is not PC language. It's a gendered slur insulting men on an overwhelmingly male forum.

I think it's a bit more complicated and nuanced than that, though I don't really think this is the time or place for me personally to try to get into it in a substantive way.

Re:WeWTF by arcticbull on Saturday August 17, 2019 @09:45PM (#20727697)
Yeah, haha, my reply was a bit meta ^_^ basically making the affirmative case for PC in a non-PC way. I agree with you that there's nuances (and that this isn't the place) -- and of course simultaneously I'd love to see peoples' skins thicken up. My reply is more to the FOX News trademarked rallying cry against political correctness more than against the dictionary definition. With that in mind, I'd expect someone arguing against PC to appreciate the tone of my reply as that is the kind of discourse they're advocating for.
Re:WeWTF by DoreenMichele on Saturday August 17, 2019 @09:55PM (#20727732)
To me, PC culture is more about style than substance, a thing I very contemptuously called "empty polite noises" when I was younger.

I generally shoot for genuine respect of people. I far prefer the company of authentic but socially awkward people to superficially smooth con artist types.

If one can combine authentic respect with smooth language, they are basically hitting international diplomat levels of social interaction. Awesome if one can pull that off, but quite oppressive to expect it as a default for being able to interact with others at all.

Which is why PC culture is very often toxic: In a world where asking for both is very often asking too much, it usually prioritizes style over substance.

You will note that HN doesn't require PC language. The mods will not come down on you for casually swearing. They will come down on you for ad hominems.

It's a good standard, imo.

Re:WeWTF by tfha on Saturday August 17, 2019 @10:48PM (#20727921)
Absolutely not. Political correctness is a term for completely suffocating certain lines of thought such as stereotyping and certain methods for expressing outrage. PC culture is highly alienating to many Americans and is one of the reasons that Trump was so successful in 2016.
Re:WeWTF by TylerE on Saturday August 17, 2019 @11:30PM (#20728064)
Would it be wrong to suggest that bigots and racists deserve to be alienated?
Re:WeWTF by NibsNiven on Sunday August 18, 2019 @12:58AM (#20728327)
Would it be wrong to imply that if you're non-PC you're a racist and/or bigot?
Re:WeWTF by arcticbull on Sunday August 18, 2019 @01:15PM (#20731476)
I don’t think that’s what they were saying. I think they were saying that people with distasteful positions need not receive the same platform as those who dont.

The fact is that while everyone is entitled to speak freely Nobody is entitled to a platform. You have to earn your platform. You earn it through the way in which you present your ideas, which is particularly true for challenging ideas.