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Re:House Prices Drop Again in San Francisco and Silicon Valley by samcheng on Friday August 16, 2019 @04:33PM (#20719436)
Note that the lockup for the recent spate of IPOs hasn't expired yet. It's possible that there will be a small recovery/bounce in the coming winter and spring. We'll see.
Re:House Prices Drop Again in San Francisco and Silicon Valley by nostrademons on Friday August 16, 2019 @07:41PM (#20720749)
Is that actually a major blocker? Anecdotally, when I check out expensive open houses, it's frequently Uber & Lyft engineers that are also there. It's possible that they're just window shopping, but to me it seems like if you know you have $X in pre-IPO stock and have been pulling in $150-200K base for 5+ years the lockup doesn't really matter. You've got enough saved for a down payment already, and when I talked to a mortgage broker they seemed willing to lend against public-company stock compensation. (This strikes me as...risky, but it wouldn't be the first time banks have done something risky in a bubble.)
Re:House Prices Drop Again in San Francisco and Silicon Valley by rolltiide on Saturday August 17, 2019 @01:20AM (#20722253)
> risky

It just depends on the debt to collateral ratio

25% could be good enough, but when they do 50% or overleverage then you should worry

The bay area would definitely be hit hard temporarily if tech, housing and lending slowed as some real estate companies take on greater risk than others, like offering no money down if you work at a FAANG with a lien on your shares.

But if there isnt much leverage then asset prices themselves dont magically become a problem just because the upward trajectory lasted a while

1999 and 2008 were leverage problems, with 2008 exacerbated by the surprise implosion of a large bank - Lehman - a few days after getting the highest credit rating, this simultaneously froze all lending since the confidence system failed. Morgan Stanley was leverage 40x the assets they had. So regulations since then ensure certain capital ratios: deleverage. As long as people find wealth and buy with that found wealth, bull market continues. If people buy with the future prospects of finding wealth, and that fails, bull market fails. Less future betting, continued steady bull market.

Re:House Prices Drop Again in San Francisco and Silicon Valley by rconti on Friday August 16, 2019 @05:38PM (#20719971)
With a seemingly endless stream of stock wealth, those recent IPOs don't even cross my radar, frankly. I don't have the impression that there are more IPOs recently than there had been over the past decade, but maybe I'm wrong.
Re:House Prices Drop Again in San Francisco and Silicon Valley by 8ytecoder on Friday August 16, 2019 @06:01PM (#20720137)
For companies centered around the Bay Area, this was probably the biggest year in a while. However, employees have had secondary market access to sell their shares in all the major companies that went public recently. So I'm not sure if the lockup would make a difference.
Re:House Prices Drop Again in San Francisco and Silicon Valley by mr_tristan on Friday August 16, 2019 @04:46PM (#20719536)
It's weird, but I wonder if people may be holding on to supply with this in mind. Or even waiting until next spring.
Re:House Prices Drop Again in San Francisco and Silicon Valley by dougmwne on Friday August 16, 2019 @05:38PM (#20719974)
But decreased supply from buyers waiting to list should increase prices, not decrease them.
Re:House Prices Drop Again in San Francisco and Silicon Valley by refurb on Friday August 16, 2019 @06:39PM (#20720390)
Indeed.

However, I wonder how median price is impacted by a shifting mix of the houses that change hands?

If buyers were moving towards the lower end of the market and away from the upper end, you could see the median price decrease when in fact any given house has actually gone up in price.

Re:House Prices Drop Again in San Francisco and Silicon Valley by nostrademons on Friday August 16, 2019 @07:47PM (#20720786)
Now, at least. If the buyers don't materialize and they give up on waiting, it increases supply and decreases prices.
Re:House Prices Drop Again in San Francisco and Silicon Valley by foggyeyes69 on Friday August 16, 2019 @07:36PM (#20720718)
If they were holding on to supply, it would keep prices high (since the people that did want to buy houses right now would have to pay higher prices to make up for the lost revenue sellers would have gotten post IPO