US Gen Z and the iMessage Lock-In

Re:US Gen Z and the iMessage Lock-In by CDSlice on Friday August 16, 2019 @12:13PM (#20716643)

You don't buy apps from Apple, you buy them through Apple's app store (an important difference).

You can use other voice assistants, you just can't set them as the default (which is a reasonable complaint)

As an Android guy, I have to say that after trying Rokus, Fire TVs, and chromecasts the Apple TV is far from crappy and is honestly one of the best smart TV boxes. Anyway, you can also buy a lightning to HDMI adapter if you want to mirror your screen.

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Re:US Gen Z and the iMessage Lock-In by damnyou on Friday August 16, 2019 @01:08PM (#20717175)

Of course you buy apps from Apple. That's why Apple, worth gobloads of money, can impose a 30% tax on independent app developers' labor.

You can't even tell users how to subscribe without giving Apple a cut if you're on iOS. To any normal person that's an egregious abuse of power. Somehow people on HN just suck it up.

Does WhatsApp force a particular voice assistant or app store on you? No? Apple's lock in is abusive.

Stop prostrating in front of trillion dollar megacorps for $deity's sake. Apple is probably the biggest blind spot this site has.

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Re:US Gen Z and the iMessage Lock-In by endperform on Friday August 16, 2019 @04:17PM (#20719289)

Google is also taking 30% when someone purchases an app through Google Play, and they also take a 15% cut of subscriptions as well, so it's not just Apple.

Google forces their App Store and Assistant on you. Your Android phone manufacturer also forces other garbage on top of that as well as locking you into a version of Android with no guaranteed upgrade path. See: Samsung and Bixby.

Get your facts straight, or at least take off the blinders that is your hatred of Apple.

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Re:US Gen Z and the iMessage Lock-In by damnyou on Friday August 16, 2019 @04:22PM (#20719345)

Of course Google is also bad, but it at least allows sideloading and other app stores.

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Re:US Gen Z and the iMessage Lock-In by endperform on Friday August 16, 2019 @04:29PM (#20719407)

Which also opens up a nice new attack vector.

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Re:US Gen Z and the iMessage Lock-In by Dylan16807 on Friday August 16, 2019 @06:06PM (#20720176)

Talking about what non-google manufacturers do to some phones, and then about attack vectors while accusing someone else of having blinders on? You're firmly in moving-the-goalposts territory now.

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Re:US Gen Z and the iMessage Lock-In by dijit on Friday August 16, 2019 @04:21PM (#20719336)

You’re going to have trouble convincing people because ultimately Apple and Google are hugely different.

The non-Apple base have decided that Apple is just overhyped over-expensive gear which is only slightly more polished and a lot more locked down than whatever their favourite thing is.

Apple users use Apple products because mostly it’s just honest. You get what you pay for, no hidden agendas, no up-sell.

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Re:US Gen Z and the iMessage Lock-In by damnyou on Friday August 16, 2019 @04:23PM (#20719357)

Every single Apple device has a hidden agenda — to make Apple even more powerful than it is today, even more of a bully.

All concentrations of power are bad. As a society we must always seek to reduce power imbalances, not perpetuate them

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Re:US Gen Z and the iMessage Lock-In by irq on Friday August 16, 2019 @05:24PM (#20719850)

All for profit companies have that agenda- it is very much NOT hidden.

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Re:US Gen Z and the iMessage Lock-In by damnyou on Friday August 16, 2019 @10:24PM (#20721562)

Apple pushes it further than anyone else. You can install other app stores like F-Droid on Android.

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Re:US Gen Z and the iMessage Lock-In by saagarjha on Friday August 16, 2019 @06:33PM (#20720349)

> Does WhatsApp force a particular voice assistant or app store on you? No?

WhatsApp is not a mobile OS.

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Re:US Gen Z and the iMessage Lock-In by damnyou on Friday August 16, 2019 @10:22PM (#20721554)

Neither is iMessage, but only one of them forces you to use a particular mobile OS, conveniently made by the same trillion dollar megacorp, to use it.

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