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Re:The electric car as a talisman of false hope by cmrdporcupine on Friday August 16, 2019 @08:21AM (#20714395)
Seems to me a lot of people are so attached to carculture that they can't even read the article properly.

The author sees all sorts of good things about electric cars. I drive them myself. I love cars. But...

The points the article makes about cars being part of a larger flawed system of urban and rural development are spot on.

'Self-driving' cars will only make this worse.

Even just the excessive prevalence of hard-top surfaces in roads and parking lots leads to environmental catastrophe when flooding begins.

Urban sprawl leads to farmland and natural area destruction.

The car is the ultimate symbol of entitled consumerist individualism, and it is becoming more and more unsustainable.

The net effect of every household being in car(s) with a population as big as we have is really bad, even if all emissions were to be eliminated.

If all the private investment money being dumped into self-driving technology at the moment were public money being put into urban mass transit, just think of what could be accomplished...

Re:The electric car as a talisman of false hope by zip1234 on Friday August 16, 2019 @10:56AM (#20715771)
I've been thinking about this for awhile and I think the problem is roads. People will go wherever the roads are good. They will build houses everywhere and subdivide everything a million times. However, if there is no way to access a certain area or it is very difficult, they will not go there and build.
Re:The electric car as a talisman of false hope by whenanother on Friday August 16, 2019 @09:42AM (#20715024)
urban mass transit is never used by the wealthy. the last thing people with ill gotten gains want to do is to be around others who can identify them and see with their own eyes how much they’ve stolen. and they don’t want to be around their own kind as there’s no honor amongst thieves.
Re:The electric car as a talisman of false hope by dragontamer on Friday August 16, 2019 @10:29AM (#20715487)
Senators use the DC Metro and Stock Market traders in NYC use their subway.

Big Subway systems in big cities are pretty famous for seeing executives in suits and celebrities sit in the same bus as beggars.

> ill gotten gains

That's... quite an assumption you're making there. Sure, some execs are assholes. But most true wealth is driven through cooperation.

Re:The electric car as a talisman of false hope by rpmisms on Friday August 16, 2019 @11:04AM (#20715860)
I think he's making the morally dubious jump to say that corporate profits are immoral.
Re:The electric car as a talisman of false hope by whenanother on Friday August 16, 2019 @11:19AM (#20716033)
nothing wrong with corporate profits. the problem lies when a corporation is being used as a money laundering and tax evasion scheme. and a boogie man that wealthy people hide behind.
Re:The electric car as a talisman of false hope by whenanother on Friday August 16, 2019 @11:06AM (#20715880)
and your are mistaking the working class with people with wealth.
Re:The electric car as a talisman of false hope by cmrdporcupine on Friday August 16, 2019 @11:33AM (#20716183)
"urban transit is never used by the wealthy" ...

In North America

What you are saying here is not true of Europe.

This is a cultural problem, and says a lot about American culture. Racism, excessive individualism, and status seeking.

I remember being shocked when I first visited suburban Atlanta for work. Atlanta is a lot like the greater Toronto area (where I live[d]) -- big giant sprawl. But unlike the Toronto area, people in the suburbs were actively campaigning _against_ the extension of rail into their area, because they didn't want the undesirables from downtown coming into their prosperous sprawl.

Re:The electric car as a talisman of false hope by JoeAltmaier on Friday August 16, 2019 @11:35AM (#20716203)
Or, if you have money, you can opt out of uncomfortable inconvenient dirty solutions to your transportation problems. What's money for after all.
Re:The electric car as a talisman of false hope by lm28469 on Friday August 16, 2019 @12:29PM (#20716821)
> What's money for after all.

> At the heart of capitalism is a vast and scarcely examined assumption: you are entitled to as great a share of the world’s resources as your money can buy. You can purchase as much land, as much atmospheric space, as many minerals, as much meat and fish as you can afford, regardless of who might be deprived. If you can pay for them, you can own entire mountain ranges and fertile plains. You can burn as much fuel as you like. Every pound or dollar secures a certain right over the world’s natural wealth.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/mar/15/capita...

Re:The electric car as a talisman of false hope by JoeAltmaier on Friday August 16, 2019 @03:48PM (#20718998)
Vast wealth can get out of hand, sure.

But for the most part, we as individuals earn money to better our lives. Get a better education, live in a better part of town, raise kids safer with better food etc. Its not a game, its life. Its also a mistake to say "money shouldn't determine important things like who gets to go to a good school", because money is exactly designed for that. Its not supposed to be just a game where money only buys toys and entertainment

Re:The electric car as a talisman of false hope by notJim on Friday August 16, 2019 @02:54PM (#20718381)
There's probably some truth to this, although it's not as absolute as you say.

The obvious solution is higher taxes for the wealthy. Wealthy people have higher climate impacts across the board, from increased meat consumption to larger houses, to first class flights and private jets.

Re:The electric car as a talisman of false hope by buboard on Friday August 16, 2019 @11:42AM (#20716276)
They use it when it's faster
Re:The electric car as a talisman of false hope by cmrdporcupine on Friday August 16, 2019 @12:14PM (#20716660)
It doesn't get faster when cars are the priority. Neighbourhoods are built without consideration for transit, and roads sprawl out indefinitely into the countryside.

As long as the investment priority is in cars, transit will suck.