Re:Tasty Seaweed Reduces Cows’ Methane Emissions by 99%
by jacobolus on Friday August 16, 2019 @02:09AM
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How well do people understand the difference between modern cow diets and the diets of say aurochs? What other nutrients are missing from modern feedlots?
Re:Tasty Seaweed Reduces Cows’ Methane Emissions by 99%
by pinko on Friday August 16, 2019 @03:42PM
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This is a great question.
Re:Tasty Seaweed Reduces Cows’ Methane Emissions by 99%
by jkettmann on Friday August 16, 2019 @07:00AM
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Very interesting. This is probably not applicable in areas with melting permafrost, right? Aren't there also bacteria basically digesting ancient and previously frozen organic matter?
Re:Tasty Seaweed Reduces Cows’ Methane Emissions by 99%
by tripzilch on Friday August 16, 2019 @08:26AM
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I think the methane is already there (having been produced a long time ago), just under ground. I could be mistaken. But even then I'm not sure how those algae would help ...
Re:Tasty Seaweed Reduces Cows’ Methane Emissions by 99%
by jkettmann on Friday August 16, 2019 @11:53AM
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There seems to be two sources of "frozen" methane. The one you're referring to is on the ground of the oceans kind of trapped in ice. The other one is organic matter inside permafrost on land. When this warms bacteria become active and decompose the organic matter releasing methane.
It was only a naive relation I saw between the bacteria inside the cows stomach and the one in the permafrost ;-)
Re:Tasty Seaweed Reduces Cows’ Methane Emissions by 99%
by tripzilch on Sunday August 18, 2019 @09:38AM
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TIL, thanks.
Re:Tasty Seaweed Reduces Cows’ Methane Emissions by 99%
by SubiculumCode on Friday August 16, 2019 @01:51AM
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What about creating bromoform directly in a lab? Is that possible? If so, then direct application to the feed wouldnt require en massed sea farming.
Re:Tasty Seaweed Reduces Cows’ Methane Emissions by 99%
by thereisnospork on Friday August 16, 2019 @02:07AM
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Pretty trivial to do at both lab and industrial scales. I've no knowledge of the biology, but if bromoform is the active ingredient it could probably be produced at scale for on the order of a few thousand dollars per tonne(governed primarily by Br2 pricing[0]) then fairly easily doped into pellets or feed.
[0] Maybe less using the haloform reaction. I'm not intimately familiar with the best-industrial manufacturing methods.
Re:Tasty Seaweed Reduces Cows’ Methane Emissions by 99%
by the8472 on Friday August 16, 2019 @04:11AM
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In a paper on this topic this was tested and pure bromoform doesn't have the same effect, the authors speculate that is due to delayed release from the seaweed structures.
Re:Tasty Seaweed Reduces Cows’ Methane Emissions by 99%
by goodalgae on Friday August 16, 2019 @02:32PM
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Mind dropping that link?
Re:Tasty Seaweed Reduces Cows’ Methane Emissions by 99%
by the8472 on Friday August 16, 2019 @04:46PM
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https://sci-hub.tw/10.1071/AN15576
Looks like I slightly misremembered. They write that they don't observe a decline of inhibition compared to a previous paper using pure bromoform but don't speculate on the reason. Maybe the speculation was in commentary on that paper.
Re:Tasty Seaweed Reduces Cows’ Methane Emissions by 99%
by SubiculumCode on Friday August 16, 2019 @05:00PM
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This suggests that the mechanism is not totally understood, which is easy to understand. It could require either tertiary agents in the seaweed/gut microbiome interactions..
Re:Tasty Seaweed Reduces Cows’ Methane Emissions by 99%
by 2_listerine_pls on Friday August 16, 2019 @02:04AM
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I was reading about it on wikipedia, it used to be produced in large quantities.
Re:Tasty Seaweed Reduces Cows’ Methane Emissions by 99%
by stenl on Friday August 16, 2019 @03:00AM
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Sigma Aldrich sells a kilo of pure bromoform for about $300. I’m sure bulk bromoform is much cheaper.
Re:Tasty Seaweed Reduces Cows’ Methane Emissions by 99%
by choeger on Friday August 16, 2019 @01:45AM
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So, essentially they are poisoning the cows ever so slightly?
Re:Tasty Seaweed Reduces Cows’ Methane Emissions by 99%
by derefr on Friday August 16, 2019 @01:48AM
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In the sense that humans eating capsaicin are poisoning themselves slightly; and not the sense in which humans drinking alcohol are poisoning themselves slightly. It’s such a different order of magnitude that there’s a qualitative, not just quantitative, change in the body’s response.
AT and a number of other algae contain very low amounts of a compound called bromoform. Bromoform in high amounts is toxic, but it's believed that bromoform in these trace amounts changes the chemical reaction being undertaken within the rumen such that methane is no longer a product. The result is a more efficient digestive process, essentially lending energy back to the cow. Easier digestion for cows seems to equal better health and immunity, increased length of heat, increased food conversion ratios and perhaps just happier cows. There is a possibility of interaction with additional trace nutrients and compounds in the algae as well, and this is being researched.
Something to note is that AT is not the only algae that reduces methane production in cattle. It is just, by far, the most efficient. And algae is not the only product which decreases methane in cattle, as well. Companies are marketing probiotics and small molecule methane inhibitors which do similar jobs, but again, AT is nearly twice as effective.