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Re:What It Takes to Hire 10 Employees in San Francisco by sodosopa on Wednesday August 14, 2019 @03:48PM (#20699260)
Any over 40?
Re:What It Takes to Hire 10 Employees in San Francisco by zer00eyz on Wednesday August 14, 2019 @04:26PM (#20699575)
You should not be getting downvoted.

When I was a young 20 something starting out in the bay (20 years ago) I ran across quite a few older engineers (some of them in their 50's).

All the best things I know came from them.

I remember at one point one of them handed me a spiral bound book of the papers from an early 90s (or late 80s) unix conference. Papers, actual papers, from a conference, BOUND (pre internet right there) --- there were a lot of interesting insights that came from that book that still impact me to this very day.

Re:What It Takes to Hire 10 Employees in San Francisco by minimaxir on Wednesday August 14, 2019 @05:47PM (#20700313)
They got downvoted because they moved the goalposts.
Re:What It Takes to Hire 10 Employees in San Francisco by sodosopa on Thursday August 15, 2019 @08:48AM (#20704676)
Doesn’t invalidate the question on potential ageism.
Re:What It Takes to Hire 10 Employees in San Francisco by crispyporkbites on Wednesday August 14, 2019 @03:50PM (#20699271)
Can they afford or even attract people with 20 years of experience?
Re:What It Takes to Hire 10 Employees in San Francisco by duxup on Wednesday August 14, 2019 @03:57PM (#20699339)
Not everyone works in the same field all their life.

Could be plenty of noobish 40 year olds out there.

cough

Re:What It Takes to Hire 10 Employees in San Francisco by TheCoelacanth on Wednesday August 14, 2019 @04:18PM (#20699507)
Even more noobish 20-somethings, though.
Re:What It Takes to Hire 10 Employees in San Francisco by sodosopa on Wednesday August 14, 2019 @03:52PM (#20699290)
Did they interview anyone with that experience?
Re:What It Takes to Hire 10 Employees in San Francisco by lsc on Wednesday August 14, 2019 @04:11PM (#20699458)
If they only have $120K budget, they are interviewing for relatively junior positions in this area and at this time, and thus they are mostly going to get young people interviewing.

I mean, a lot of times this is coded in the job descriptions. "rockstar ninja" "10x engineer" or similar words generally mean they are unable to pay experienced people wages and are looking for someone new to do the work of an experienced person.

A lot of people think this is bad, as it almost always implies overwork, but I have mixed feelings. My first programming job? I was 17, no education, and I was hired as a "Staff Programmer" but only paid slightly under $40K (this was in '97, so while that was great money for a 17 year old, that was... not market rate for an experienced engineer, much less a "staff" level title.)

In a lot of ways it was a great experience for me. My shitty C code ran on production and in turns vastly improved and degraded user experiences for literally millions of people. For a company that wants to 'roll the dice' - I was probably a good deal, 'cause I did some pretty amazing things. (in both directions, really... but it did work out well sometimes?)

(I can't find the quote right now... by Vixie; something about how many CERT notices he was responsible for, and how it showed that in his youth, he could code, but he didn't learn to manage risk until later.)

But, I mean, my experience of the valley (and SF is not silicon valley, but it is... adjacent.) is that startups hiring young people can partly be explained by the phenomena that startups aren't willing to pay market rate for someone with experience; even at my age, I see pressure to move to management.

If something bad happened and I had to work at a startup again, one of the big tells I'd look for would be the number of older engineers that are working as direct hires (not contractors); This is usually a good indicator that they are willing to pay reasonably.

Re:What It Takes to Hire 10 Employees in San Francisco by PeterisP on Wednesday August 14, 2019 @06:50PM (#20700834)
If they advertised for a junior position (with the associated salary expectations) then it'd be reasonable to expect that nobody with that experience would apply; I mean, why would they?
Re:What It Takes to Hire 10 Employees in San Francisco by sodosopa on Thursday August 15, 2019 @08:51AM (#20704695)
I have former coworkers who are beginning to look and have moved to lower career roles basically aging out. No pressure of running teams but the experience of budgeting and knowing how to code a multitude of systems.
Re:What It Takes to Hire 10 Employees in San Francisco by joegahona on Wednesday August 14, 2019 @04:36PM (#20699672)
I too am curious of the age distribution at this company. Is someone willing to share?