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Re:Yield Curves Invert in U.S., U.K by dragontamer on Wednesday August 14, 2019 @02:17PM (#20698368)
The problem is that "Deep State" is a loaded term. You could very well argue that the N-word is a historically accurate (and Latin) way to describe African Americans.

Instead of using "Deep State", it might be better to say "Agency Directors", if you wanted to use neutral language. "Deep State" is loaded. Of course, its more popular these days to value-signal which side of an argument you're on, rather than appearing neutral...

In any effect, the people who use the word "Deep State" wish to imply that government workers have their own agendas. In my experience however, government workers overwhelmingly just want to do a good job with the task they've been assigned (much like any other human who are tasked with a job).

Re:Yield Curves Invert in U.S., U.K by thwythwy on Wednesday August 14, 2019 @08:55PM (#20701605)
The second sentence in your post is so alarmingly inappropriate that I can't focus on anything else.
Re:Yield Curves Invert in U.S., U.K by digitaltrees on Thursday August 15, 2019 @02:58AM (#20703170)
Why is it offensive. What is the word for the color black in Spanish? Does the color black have a negative connotation? Or did racist cultural attitudes turn what was a neutral term in to a highly charged weapon of oppression.

I think the OPs point was “deep state” has a deliberate, highly charged, negative connotation.

Don’t conflate the horrible reality of racism with the historical origin of a racial insult. The OP is merely using it as an example to illustrate how terms acquire meaning through time and social norms. Not excuse their existence.

Re:Yield Curves Invert in U.S., U.K by dragontamer on Thursday August 15, 2019 @09:11AM (#20704832)
The N word is simply the Latin word for black. It was probably used a lot by Latin, and maybe medieval age scholars to describe lots of things in a non-racist way. The issue is that MODERN racists have decided that the N-word is an insult to a subset of the community. As such, the N-word has become an insult.

My point is that words have meaning based on who uses the word. The N-word is used by racists and is now avoided by polite society (unless you wish to explicitly label yourself a racist)

"Deep State" is used by conspiracy theorists who wish to destroy government workers and their positions. Its a phrase that should be avoided unless you wish to paint yourself a conspiracy theorist.

Re:Yield Curves Invert in U.S., U.K by ryacko on Wednesday August 14, 2019 @02:28PM (#20698484)
So you don’t have to play ball in order to be cycled from public sector to private sector to high level government positions along with the attendant corporate lobbying to Congress on approving various government positions?

It’s a pipeline and someone has their hands on the valves.

Re:Yield Curves Invert in U.S., U.K by kaitai on Wednesday August 14, 2019 @05:45PM (#20700296)
I don't quite understand what you're trying to say. Could you elaborate?

For instance, in Washington DC there is certainly a pipeline from public to private to high level to lobbying to etc., but I think what the +parent posters is referring to encompasses the scientists at the EPA and the USDA, the doctors and nurses and managers at the VA, etc etc. They tend to get a job there after a bit of moving around and then stay 40 years. There is no trading out to private sector -- they generally get a gov't job because of a combined desire for altruism and good benefits and stability -- and the vast majority would never even be offered, much less accept, a lobbying position.

Source: family in such positions, who just want to examine and regulate the wastewater output of cheese factories in the heartland and go home after a good day's work. Said member was forced out of their job recently due to politics -- not "business-friendly" enough.

Re:Yield Curves Invert in U.S., U.K by ryacko on Wednesday August 14, 2019 @09:59PM (#20701967)
You do realize I’m replying to a post about how the more relevant term is “Agency Directors”?

Now you’re replying to me about high-level HR decisions biasing the processes of government agencies. I don’t think there is anything to elaborate?

Re:Yield Curves Invert in U.S., U.K by vinay427 on Wednesday August 14, 2019 @02:58PM (#20698788)
The "real" N-word is also similar to or identical to today's equivalents in Germanic languages (e.g. German, Dutch).
Re:Yield Curves Invert in U.S., U.K by lowdose on Wednesday August 14, 2019 @04:46PM (#20699782)
Also in Dutch you can't use the equivalent anymore. People of color take offense by it.
Re:Yield Curves Invert in U.S., U.K by legacynl on Thursday August 15, 2019 @05:34AM (#20703802)
They have always taken offense to it, we just used to not care.
Re:Yield Curves Invert in U.S., U.K by OJFord on Wednesday August 14, 2019 @04:53PM (#20699840)
It has a totally different meaning, but one that makes it much more common ('no but', iirc), so I had quite a surprise arriving at a Mandarin lesson one day!
Re:Yield Curves Invert in U.S., U.K by carlmr on Wednesday August 14, 2019 @04:37PM (#20699687)
At least in German it's not used anymore, since it sounds similar enough to the English version everybody knows.
Re:Yield Curves Invert in U.S., U.K by vinay427 on Wednesday August 14, 2019 @05:13PM (#20699998)
Right, sorry, I live in a German-speaking place so I'm aware. I was just trying to add that this form of it is far from unique to English and Latin.