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Re:Milky Way’s Black Hole Just Flared, Growing 75 Times as B... by MichaelApproved on Tuesday August 13, 2019 @11:01PM (#20692379)
> (we are not moving all that fast compared to the speed of light)

From what I understand, no one ever moves (fast, slow, whatever) compared to the speed of light from their own reference point.

The speed of light is always the same for all observers from their own reference point, so how do you reconcile those statements?

Re:Milky Way’s Black Hole Just Flared, Growing 75 Times as B... by antognini on Tuesday August 13, 2019 @11:16PM (#20692454)
Yes, in your own reference frame you are stationary. So by definition all observers are at the same speed in their own reference frame, namely zero. What I was trying to say is that the velocity of the Earth relative to the Milky Way's SMBH is small compared to the speed of light.
Re:Milky Way’s Black Hole Just Flared, Growing 75 Times as B... by MichaelApproved on Wednesday August 14, 2019 @09:44AM (#20695480)
Thanks for the clarification. This stuff can be clear and confusing at the same time.
Re:Milky Way’s Black Hole Just Flared, Growing 75 Times as B... by cylon13 on Tuesday August 13, 2019 @11:09PM (#20692421)
I don't move relative to my reference point, but you move relative to my reference point and vice versa. So from my point of view it makes sense to say you are moving at some fraction of the speed of light.
Re:Milky Way’s Black Hole Just Flared, Growing 75 Times as B... by simonh on Wednesday August 14, 2019 @10:09AM (#20695693)
That statement was very clearly talking about the difference between the reference frames of the Earth and the galactic core, and comparing that difference to the speed of light.
Re:Milky Way’s Black Hole Just Flared, Growing 75 Times as B... by wokwokwok on Tuesday August 13, 2019 @11:17PM (#20692457)
If we (sol / earth) were moving at a speed significantly closer to the (absolute) speed of light we would experience significant time dilation.

This is significant for observing external events and correlating phase shifts to figure out distances.

Eg. Things in the external universe may appear to happen extremely quickly.

It’s actually very important.

Regardless of how fast you appear to be moving in your own frame of reference, the speed you’re travelling in absolute terms affects what you observe externally (and specifically with regard to how fast you are moving compared to what you observing)

Re:Milky Way’s Black Hole Just Flared, Growing 75 Times as B... by roywiggins on Tuesday August 13, 2019 @11:31PM (#20692510)
The thing we are at rest (ish) relative to is the cosmic microwave background. That's why we aren't moving that much relative to the rest of the universe, on average.

Time dilation is relative between you and some other reference frame. All the "stuff" in the universe nearby is (fairly) static, so we can say we are not moving fast, but it's still relative to the stuff around is.

Re:Milky Way’s Black Hole Just Flared, Growing 75 Times as B... by mirimir on Tuesday August 13, 2019 @11:35PM (#20692520)
Huh. So could one use that as a standard frame of reference?
Re:Milky Way’s Black Hole Just Flared, Growing 75 Times as B... by philipov on Wednesday August 14, 2019 @12:55AM (#20692805)
Yes and no. The laws of physics do not pick out a preferred frame of reference, and they should be symmetrical under lorentz transformation, but the fact that we live in a cosmological universe starting with a big bang breaks that symmetry in practice.

It's similar to how the laws of physics are symmetrical under translation and rotation, but the presence of matter around us means the surface of the earth is not the same as the surface of the sun.

So, while we might use the CMB as a standard reference frame, the laws of physics should not.

Re:Milky Way’s Black Hole Just Flared, Growing 75 Times as B... by roywiggins on Tuesday August 13, 2019 @11:54PM (#20692585)
Maybe, kinda. It's not obvious that it's more privileged than centering a reference frame on the Earth or the Sun. The CMB is maybe just an artifact of the Universe's history (like a Sun-centered one is an artifact of ours).

If we didn't have any CMB radiation floating around to measure, everything would probably work exactly the same. Maybe you could measure all the motion of all the matter in the visible universe and measure the motion of the "center" relative to us.

Re:Milky Way’s Black Hole Just Flared, Growing 75 Times as B... by MichaelApproved on Wednesday August 14, 2019 @09:43AM (#20695465)
> the speed you’re travelling in absolute terms

There is no such thing. You always have to compare your speed to something else. Speed is calculated relative to something else. Relativity.

Re:Milky Way’s Black Hole Just Flared, Growing 75 Times as B... by wokwokwok on Wednesday August 14, 2019 @10:54AM (#20696157)
/shrug

My point was that if we (the solar system) were travelling as a considerable portion of the speed of light, then we would experience time dilation, which would significantly affect our observations of the external universe.

We're not.

So... it's fine.

I mean, you're basically right; speed isn't absolute, and it's wrong to refer to your speed relative to the CMBR as 'absolute'.

...but, well... I think it's fair to say 'The speed of light is constant in all frames of reference, so why [insert question here]...' is a very fair, and common question. 'Everything is relative' isn't an answer, it's just a platitude.