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Re:FAA Bans Recalled Apple Laptops from Flights by 1e-9 on Tuesday August 13, 2019 @08:22PM (#20691587)
Along with the hassle of opening the laptop, powering it on, and clicking About This Mac; you would have the security issue of entering your password while surrounded by other people and cameras. None of the verification options seem very appealing.
Re:FAA Bans Recalled Apple Laptops from Flights by peterburkimsher on Tuesday August 13, 2019 @09:35PM (#20691980)
I flew Etihad from Sydney to Abu Dhabi last week. They warned transiting customers that phones and laptops must be charged up before passing airport security in the UK or US.

The TSA already requires that laptops and phones must be powered-on on demand to "prove that they're real". That's already a cybersecurity risk.

I'm relieved that the banned laptops doesn't include my 15" mid-2014 MacBook Pro, or my dad's hand-me-down 13" mid-2015 MacBook Pro that he generously gave to me last week after I helped him repair it.

Re:FAA Bans Recalled Apple Laptops from Flights by monksy on Wednesday August 14, 2019 @11:06AM (#20696305)
The only place that I've had this issue was connecting through Istanbul. It was weird to wait for them to see it boot. They were fine with seeing a bios screen.
Re:FAA Bans Recalled Apple Laptops from Flights by coin on Tuesday August 13, 2019 @10:51PM (#20692338)
There’s a ban on fake laptop? Why does the TSA care if they are real?
Re:FAA Bans Recalled Apple Laptops from Flights by BigJono on Tuesday August 13, 2019 @11:12PM (#20692436)
Presumably if there's a working computer inside the case then it can't be packed to the brim with c4?
Re:FAA Bans Recalled Apple Laptops from Flights by jandrese on Wednesday August 14, 2019 @12:00AM (#20692618)
Yeah, someone would have to leave a Raspberry Pi zero sized chunk of explosive out to put up a boot screen and something close enough to a windows boot logo to pass a cursory visual inspection.

In reality, the X-Ray should already make it pretty clear if there is something weird about the laptop's build. Turning on the machine is entirely unnecessary. Also, I have not been asked to turn on a laptop in many years, so unless this is a new development it is badly out of date.

Re:FAA Bans Recalled Apple Laptops from Flights by Iolaum on Wednesday August 14, 2019 @02:45AM (#20693234)
The metal casing of many laptops reflects the xrays, hence you can't see anything inside them.
Re:FAA Bans Recalled Apple Laptops from Flights by Reason077 on Wednesday August 14, 2019 @05:21AM (#20693889)
At many airports you can see the x-ray images of the bags and devices as they are scanned/checked.

In my experience there is always a detailed image of the inside of laptops. Color-coded according to material type/density and clearly showing the location of batteries, etc.

Re:FAA Bans Recalled Apple Laptops from Flights by pbhjpbhj on Wednesday August 14, 2019 @07:49AM (#20694506)
I'd imagine the batteries being switched for plastic explosive would be a simple way to take explosives onboard for unsophisticated attackers, turning on rules out that possibility. Not everyone who wants to blow stuff up is a hacker.
Re:FAA Bans Recalled Apple Laptops from Flights by Reason077 on Wednesday August 14, 2019 @08:05AM (#20694604)
Wouldn’t plastic explosive have a different density to real batteries, and thus show up very obviously on the scanner?

The machines are tuned to highlight specific risky materials (such as liquids & gels).

At one point it was common to be asked to turn on laptops etc. But I haven’t seen them do that for years - presumably because the scanners have improved.

Re:FAA Bans Recalled Apple Laptops from Flights by pbhjpbhj on Wednesday August 14, 2019 @03:17PM (#20698953)
LiPo laptop battery is apparently around 1.8-2 g/cm3 (sorry can't find good figures), whilst C4 is 1.73 g/cm3. Not sure what the density resolution is like -- I'd guess it's poor because you can't tell what thickness/type of casing you're looking through from the luggage "xray"; I'd imagine it to be primarily good at relative density.
Re:FAA Bans Recalled Apple Laptops from Flights by gmueckl on Wednesday August 14, 2019 @03:55AM (#20693515)
X-Rays can pass through thick chunks of metal several times the thickness of a laptop. You just need a powerful enough source. I doubt however that such a source can be used safely in an enclosure as open as the securiry check machines.
Re:FAA Bans Recalled Apple Laptops from Flights by warrenm on Wednesday August 14, 2019 @11:15AM (#20696406)
Not even close to true - just look at the scan monitor next time you fly: you can clearly see inside any electronics going through the scanner
Re:FAA Bans Recalled Apple Laptops from Flights by brongondwana on Wednesday August 14, 2019 @02:00AM (#20693056)
I had a slightly damaged laptop with a loose flap on the bottom and I got told off by the agents somewhere... Syracuse I think...

Never had any issues with that laptop anywhere else - but they got pretty grumpy at me, and made me power it up to prove that it was a legit laptop.

Re:FAA Bans Recalled Apple Laptops from Flights by clamprecht on Tuesday August 13, 2019 @09:00PM (#20691810)
Make a separate account on your Mac for just this purpose.
Re:FAA Bans Recalled Apple Laptops from Flights by sjwright on Tuesday August 13, 2019 @09:08PM (#20691845)
Be aware that any valid normal user account password can decrypt your hard disk—the exception being a guest account which forces the entire computer to restart into a separate, fully neutered system.
Re:FAA Bans Recalled Apple Laptops from Flights by pbhjpbhj on Wednesday August 14, 2019 @07:45AM (#20694478)
But someone at airport security turning the computer on still wouldn't have access to your user's files, presumably (?), because of user permissions - so they'd need to hack it (illegally, I expect) and why would they do that? In the context of this story aren't they just checking the serial number, presumably that's printed on the case?
Re:FAA Bans Recalled Apple Laptops from Flights by jhabdas on Wednesday August 14, 2019 @02:43AM (#20693228)
Assuming you haven't switched partition schemes to something like LUKS with pre-boot authentication.
Re:FAA Bans Recalled Apple Laptops from Flights by sjwright on Sunday August 18, 2019 @12:18AM (#20728211)
I'm assuming it's a MacBook that is being operated normally by a normal person.
Re:FAA Bans Recalled Apple Laptops from Flights by chrischen on Wednesday August 14, 2019 @03:23AM (#20693373)
Touchbar fingerprint reader to the rescue!
Re:FAA Bans Recalled Apple Laptops from Flights by justincormack on Wednesday August 14, 2019 @03:28AM (#20693396)
These models don’t have those.
Re:FAA Bans Recalled Apple Laptops from Flights by nindalf on Wednesday August 14, 2019 @06:36AM (#20694161)
Time to get a new macbook! You don't mind replacing a laptop that's less than 2 years old right?
Re:FAA Bans Recalled Apple Laptops from Flights by jcadam on Wednesday August 14, 2019 @08:22AM (#20694747)
These are Apple users you're talking about. Their loyalty is pretty much unconditional, and they'll view this as an exciting opportunity to upgrade.
Re:FAA Bans Recalled Apple Laptops from Flights by GordonS on Wednesday August 14, 2019 @06:54AM (#20694229)
When you boot up, you need to enter your password once to enable touch ID.
Re:FAA Bans Recalled Apple Laptops from Flights by chapium on Tuesday August 13, 2019 @08:41PM (#20691706)
Fortunately this isnt a big hassle on a mac :)