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Re:TV detector van by jrjarrett on Thursday August 08, 2019 @04:05PM (#20648110)
I don't know where you moved to, but is the US anything admirable lately? Guess I should cross the UK off the list of places to flee to.
Re:TV detector van by dzhiurgis on Thursday August 08, 2019 @04:28PM (#20648345)
I moved to NZ. Glad to get out of UK's weather and rat race.

Went to Hawaii for couple weeks one year ago. Experienced culture shock.

NZ is probably best place in the world.

Re:TV detector van by toomanybeersies on Thursday August 08, 2019 @08:59PM (#20650438)
As a Kiwi Expat, I beg to differ. Australia takes that title.

Better incomes, quality of living (houses are vastly better quality), infrastructure, entertainment, and weather.

Re:TV detector van by dzhiurgis on Friday August 09, 2019 @02:56AM (#20651908)
Better salary and better entertainment. I gain first one by working remote, second don't care that much.

The downsides is extreme weather, too big cities and much less nice people (historical backgrounds between kiwis and aussies are polar opposites).

Re:TV detector van by _-___________-_ on Thursday August 08, 2019 @05:29PM (#20648998)
> NZ is probably best place in the world.

Unless you, say, like to travel, or want to live in a place with people from a wide variety of backgrounds.

Re:TV detector van by disordinary on Thursday August 08, 2019 @06:52PM (#20649711)
Depends where you want to travel to, Australia, South East Asia, the west coast of the Americas, and the Pacific islands are all very accessible. There's also plenty of travel to do within New Zealand, because New Zealand runs north to south and is roughly the height of Europe there's a huge variety within a small space.

Also, NZ is pretty diverse. I work in Wellington and my team of 20 is from nine different countries and ethnicities, there's only four born Kiwi's in it (and the Kiwi's have different ethnicities as well some are Maori, others are Pakeha, and others are Indian Kiwis). I read about immigration statistics the other day and 8 of the top ten ethnicities which are granted permanent residents status are from Asia, the Pacific, and Africa, only two are from countries with a European majority (the UK and the US). I find Wellington to be more diverse than when I worked in San Francisco or London.

Re:TV detector van by dzhiurgis on Friday August 09, 2019 @03:05AM (#20651938)
Last year we moved to place a bit outside city. Previously, waking up on weekends meant planning a hike somewhere. Now we are just like "hey it's pretty nice just to chill here, lets just stay home". Sure, travel is more about discovering something new, but from beauty side, it sometimes even annoys me how pretty NZ is.

Culture wise, I keep saying NZ is like 50s in US - tons of new expats, everyone with decent background, keen to work hard. Most of Europe and US has now second generation foreigners which is not that interesting. Simple number: software teams I worked on only had 10-30% of kiwi's.

Re:TV detector van by EdwardDiego on Thursday August 08, 2019 @06:12PM (#20649390)
> want to live in a place with people from a wide variety of backgrounds

Our largest city is also our most diverse.

> Auckland is one of the world's most culturally diverse cities with the fourth most foreign-born population, an international study has found. > With 39 per cent of its population born overseas, the city is revealed to be more diverse than Sydney, Los Angeles, London and even New York.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&object...

Re:TV detector van by rahimnathwani on Thursday August 08, 2019 @10:38PM (#20650914)
It's hard to define a good measure of diversity. Thankfully statisticians provide some options:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diversity_index

For some reason, the article you linked made up their own (very poor) measure of diversity. Imagine a city that's half white locals, and half white British immigrants (temporary or permanent). Would you consider such a city as diverse? The measure in that news article would put this city as being 50% diverse, even higher than Wellington's 39%.

Re:TV detector van by _-___________-_ on Thursday August 15, 2019 @12:34PM (#20706775)
(Grew up in Auckland, live in London.) IMO it takes some pretty incredible redefinitions of the word "diverse" to get Auckland to be more diverse than London.
Re:TV detector van by FooHentai on Thursday August 08, 2019 @06:13PM (#20649400)
NZ's pretty diverse. South Island less so as it's mostly rural.
Re:TV detector van by rurban on Friday August 09, 2019 @01:02PM (#20656215)
Germany, Switzerland and Austria are competing for that title. (And there are official numbers backing that up). You get what you pay for.
Re:TV detector van by t0astbread on Thursday August 08, 2019 @06:33PM (#20649579)
Isn't NZ part of the five eyes?
Re:TV detector van by toyg on Thursday August 08, 2019 @07:09PM (#20649839)
It is; and they railroaded Kim Dotcom, breaking all their laws on due process, just to lick those sweet, sweet US boots.
Re:TV detector van by jmole on Thursday August 08, 2019 @05:14PM (#20648855)
Care to elaborate on that? Culture shock from what? What makes NZ the best?
Re:TV detector van by disordinary on Thursday August 08, 2019 @07:15PM (#20649890)
If you're progressive then NZ is a good place with strong social support and networks. There's definitely plenty of faults but it's not nearly as bad as other countries in most cases.

There's also not the extreme rifts that we see elsewhere. If you look at reform for instance then there was broad cross party support for firearm reform, abortion reform, and euthanasia reform all in the last few months with both left and right parties voting for all of the above, something which would be pretty inconceivable in a country like the US where people seem to take opposite views on things just because they refuse to agree with the other side.

The population is largely free of extremists and have a culture of just getting on with things and working together, this comes from the extreme isolation which we've historically had. That leads to people being irreligious, educated, and practical.

It's very democratic and has very low levels of corruption, politicians are accessible and mostly trusted.

This is tempered by a high cost of living compared to wages.

Unfortunately we have seen a rise of US style far-right opinions and extreme views fed from the internet (like antivax and also a rise of disinformation and fake news). Ironically this may mean that politicians will be forced to become less accessible and democracy and freedoms may take a back seat to security as we've seen in the US. I hope not.

Re:TV detector van by dzhiurgis on Friday August 09, 2019 @03:14AM (#20651977)
> irreligious, educated, and practical.

This is so true. People are just so multi-faceted here. I have a friend who's a developer, mechanic, investor, guitar player and a stripper.

Re:TV detector van by dzhiurgis on Friday August 09, 2019 @03:10AM (#20651958)
Culture shock from drugs, homeless, guns and just this extreme lifestyle. Difficult to explain. We arrived from one island of paradise to other and sure, climate is better in Hawaii, but big cities, big trucks, big corp...

And then there was other side of anit-vax, anti-gmo, anti-progress people... We've got some of that in NZ, but nowhere close so visible.

Re:TV detector van by scatters on Thursday August 08, 2019 @05:20PM (#20648907)
> NZ is probably best place in the world.

Unless you're a woman of reproductive age.

Re:TV detector van by sundvor on Thursday August 08, 2019 @06:07PM (#20649337)
A certain glass ceiling was nicely shattered by Ardern, NZ's PM. She's boosting NZ's respect abroad even further, if that was possible.
Re:TV detector van by scatters on Thursday August 08, 2019 @06:43PM (#20649630)
And she is working to improve NZ women's access to reproductive rights, but they're still well behind what should be expected of a civilized country.
Re:TV detector van by ajna91 on Thursday August 08, 2019 @06:11PM (#20649372)
Why is that?
Re:TV detector van by zepto on Thursday August 08, 2019 @06:07PM (#20649339)
Why is that?
Re:TV detector van by disordinary on Thursday August 08, 2019 @06:57PM (#20649747)
The abortion laws are old and antiquated (from the 60s), basically a woman needs a doctors permission to get an abortion, in reality this isn't a problem with most doctors but it is demeaning.

There's a new law which just passed the first reading in parliament (with 80% voting yes) to remove any restrictions so thankfully this will no longer be an issue and a woman will be able to make the decision without having to go to a doctor.

So, while the laws are old it's actually positive that there's so much cross party support for progressive reform. Another law which is in it's second reading is euthanasia reform which has similar support.

Re:TV detector van by dylan604 on Thursday August 08, 2019 @04:14PM (#20648199)
I was just thinking about the grass isn't always greener kind of situation. Everyone hopes somewhere else is going to (have to?) be better than here. Where ever there/here actually are.
Re:TV detector van by notzuck on Thursday August 08, 2019 @10:58PM (#20650994)
Absolutely right but moving to Australia has genuinely massively improved our standard of living beyond what i thought was even possible. I can't believe how good we have it here.
Re:TV detector van by dylan604 on Thursday August 08, 2019 @11:17PM (#20651071)
I almost didn't leave when I visited Australia and New Zealand. I telecommute, so it wouldn't matter if I was across the country or the planet. Plus, getting paid in US dollars living in NZ with the strong dollar would be like a pay raise. If only I had the 'get up and do it' enough to do it.
Re:TV detector van by notzuck on Friday August 09, 2019 @05:03AM (#20652516)
I work from home 25 days per month - I moved well away from the city, bought a massive house next to a beautiful surf beach and my kids could not be having a better time if they tried. My partner did the same. We make over 400k joint, all from home and in a very cheap part of the country. I can't even get over how lucky I am.
Re:TV detector van by criddell on Thursday August 08, 2019 @04:13PM (#20648190)
Don't flee, get involved and help fix things if you can!
Re:TV detector van by notzuck on Thursday August 08, 2019 @10:57PM (#20650990)
Yes, he should just dedicate his life to toiling away at a problem he can't make an impact on while telling his kids and wife that he's very sorry that he can't give them a significantly better standard of living because he needs to help fix England.
Re:TV detector van by monkeynotes on Friday August 09, 2019 @08:18AM (#20653607)
No, I was miserable in the UK - I have better options elsewhere. I do not care enough about the UK to give it my life. The culture is locked in by hundreds of years of history, and a vast, vast majority of people like it the way it is.

Staying in the UK for me is like staying in an abusive relationship or a job you hate. It made me deeply unhappy, so instead of complaining and bringing my friends down I found a life to love overseas.

Re:TV detector van by criddell on Friday August 09, 2019 @08:40AM (#20653731)
Fair enough. All any of us wants is happiness.
Re:TV detector van by a1369209993 on Thursday August 08, 2019 @04:49PM (#20648579)
> is the US anything admirable lately?

Nope, the US is firmly in the Wants a Prize for Basic Decency[0] category. Which is better than most other places, but that says more about other places than the US.

0: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WantsAPrizeForBa...