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Re:Why is modern web development so complicated? by void445be54d48a on Wednesday August 07, 2019 @04:30PM (#20638643)
Just don't build software and then we won't have shit software
Re:Why is modern web development so complicated? by gen220 on Wednesday August 07, 2019 @04:41PM (#20638773)
I know this was probably meant as tongue-in-cheek, but I think this is a powerful idea.

I think it should be a more widespread idea that people should aim to leave a company with a net-negative `cloc` contribution.

Re:Why is modern web development so complicated? by majewsky on Wednesday August 07, 2019 @06:59PM (#20640091)
The problem is, even if you try to contribute negative LOC, every other week your boss/customer/PM sees a new feature in their dreams or hears about a new technology at a conference and demands you put it in there right now.

Every system that I've built so far has started out with a simple, obvious set of rules (both new systems and replacements for old systems). Then the customer/PM/whatever notices just one more edge case. And another. And another. And another. The truth is that reality is frustratingly complicated. Especially if the reality you're mapping contains the internal bureaucracies of large companies.

Re:Why is modern web development so complicated? by johnchristopher on Wednesday August 07, 2019 @05:01PM (#20639016)
Actually, that's a well know mantra: the best code is no code.
Re:Why is modern web development so complicated? by BubRoss on Wednesday August 07, 2019 @05:46PM (#20639482)
People don't know what that means though. It is only helpful after explaining to shoot for deeper yet simpler rules for your system along with identifying what can be separated from execution as static data.
Re:Why is modern web development so complicated? by Frost1x on Wednesday August 07, 2019 @07:42PM (#20640403)
Part of that mantra also falls under problem solving in general. Not every solution needs a technology solution. Sometimes fixes can be made in processes or policy in general. Many jump to technology solutions too quickly and I feel this is lazy and often passing responsibility for someone else to fix a situation.
Re:Why is modern web development so complicated? by johnchristopher on Thursday August 08, 2019 @02:23AM (#20642300)
Yep, I can see how beginners or god-level guru could turn that into a thousand characters one-liner.
Re:Why is modern web development so complicated? by keithnz on Wednesday August 07, 2019 @05:29PM (#20639321)
no code is also the fastest thing you can do!
Re:Why is modern web development so complicated? by jtms on Wednesday August 07, 2019 @05:03PM (#20639039)
Yes. Deleting code is my favorite type of programming.
Re:Why is modern web development so complicated? by temac on Wednesday August 07, 2019 @05:48PM (#20639506)
I'm a fan of that idea and I'm taking it even further:

Erase existing software, so we have less amount of shit software.

I'm actually applying that technique at work with great results (really!)

Re:Why is modern web development so complicated? by root_axis on Wednesday August 07, 2019 @06:05PM (#20639639)
Deleting code is not always better. I know a lot of developers who like to "refactor" code by making everything more terse and they regard that as a win even though the code is now cleverly incomprehensible.
Re:Why is modern web development so complicated? by temac on Wednesday August 07, 2019 @06:34PM (#20639923)
I agree, it depends of the code, and if you need to replace it: by what.

I'm actually more found of when I don't even have to replace it: just delete the damn obsolete shit. Not replace. Delete. Most of the time it for cases where it is just dead. Sometimes it is only quasi-dead (from an incomplete previous modification) and in a few cases deleting it actually fixes some bugs.

The best patches only have - lines :D

Re:Why is modern web development so complicated? by baddox on Wednesday August 07, 2019 @05:23PM (#20639248)
Having bad software or a bad website is very often not an existential threat to companies, but having no software or no website is very often an existential threat.
Re:Why is modern web development so complicated? by temac on Wednesday August 07, 2019 @05:55PM (#20639557)
The secret is, you don't have to not write and/or delete everything indiscriminately.

The second thing is: companies do not only try to avoid existential threats; they also attempt to have economical approaches. If anything needs to be maintained, there is the potential, if it is crappy, to make maintenance costly.

Re:Why is modern web development so complicated? by walshemj on Wednesday August 07, 2019 @06:24PM (#20639848)
Ask ASOS about how a site migration tanked the share price and was mentioned in the financial press.
Re:Why is modern web development so complicated? by hnick on Wednesday August 07, 2019 @08:59PM (#20640862)
With enough AI the software can build itself, and we can start blaming the computers.