Victims are often criminals, and that is a paradox American policing can’t solve

Re:Victims are often criminals, and that is a paradox Americ... by AS126 on Wednesday August 07, 2019 @10:13AM (#20634830)

Scandinavian countries in particular tend to do better in encouraging rehab and reintegration. Part of it is definitely related to cost, those countries tend to have stronger funding for their prison/reform systems.

Draconic punishment is not ideal especially because criminals return to society with less prospects and are likely to turn to crime once again. That is if they return at all.

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Re:Victims are often criminals, and that is a paradox Americ... by dariusj18 on Wednesday August 07, 2019 @10:22AM (#20634915)

I think it's a vicious cycle. Many countries with less "crime" require less police, therefore they can be more selective about the people they hire and spend more money to train them. In the US, policing and prison are huge industries, and at a certain point there are not enough qualified individuals to go around.

Now imagine the TSA and Border patrol and many other government security institutions. So many cast offs.

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Re:Victims are often criminals, and that is a paradox Americ... by ComputerGuru on Wednesday August 07, 2019 @10:26AM (#20634961)

There aren’t enough qualified candidates because they literally are not interested in hiring people that can think for themselves rather than blindly follow orders and protocol. I know how petty this statement sounds, and you’re probably thinking “ok there, someone has an axe to grind or needs to learn some nuance,” but read this news article about what (legally!) disqualifies a candidate from being hired as an officer:

https://abcnews.go.com/US/court-oks-barring-high-iqs-cops/st...

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Re:Victims are often criminals, and that is a paradox Americ... by SamReidHughes on Wednesday August 07, 2019 @11:51PM (#20641690)

No, they just want to save money on training by avoiding high turnover.

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Re:Victims are often criminals, and that is a paradox Americ... by username90 on Wednesday August 07, 2019 @02:31PM (#20637469)

Another point is the kind of work police has to deal with. In a low crime country police almost never has to deal with criminals with weapons or guns, so they never have to fear for their lives. This means that people who don't like violence don't mind joining the police. However in USA where police have to engage in lots of violence just to do their job the people who want to join the police are very different.

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Re:Victims are often criminals, and that is a paradox Americ... by ceejayoz on Wednesday August 07, 2019 @12:06PM (#20635962)

https://www.thelocal.se/20180508/why-sweden-doesnt-keep-stat...

> It doesn't take much effort to find articles claiming to have the 'truth' about the relationship between immigrants or refugees and Swedish crime. Yet the real truth is that there is no up-to-date public data on the ethnic background of criminals in the country, with existing figures more than a decade old.

Do you have reputable citations for Oslo/Norway crime by ethnic background that demonstrate what you assert? Norway says overall rates are down, which would be weird if the influx of refugees was increasing crime: https://www.tnp.no/norway/panorama/crime-rates-decrease-norw...

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Re:Victims are often criminals, and that is a paradox Americ... by username90 on Wednesday August 07, 2019 @02:23PM (#20637398)

Last time Sweden released an official study they were very over-represented. The numbers for the following groups are the rate compared to natives, 1 means that they would commit the same amount of crime as Swedes:

Västasien (West Asia) 3.7

Nordafrika (North Africa) 4.6

Östafrika (East Africa) 3.5

Övriga Afrika (Rest of Africa) 5.2

(The numbers written in the study had native swedes at 0.8 so I multiplied these numbers by 1.25 to normalize it)

https://www.bra.se/download/18.cba82f7130f475a2f1800012697/2...

Nothing since then has shown that the rates have changed, so you can assume that they are still valid. Everybody knows that these groups are over-represented and that accepting immigrants increases crime, that isn't really a part of the debate. You can argue why they are over-represented, such as poverty and discrimination, but not that there are more criminals among them.

Anyhow, wrt America, even the worst right wing propaganda doesn't show our African immigrants committing as much crime as African Americans, so the Swedish model seems to work at least somewhat.

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