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Re:What you may have heard about the dispute between UC and ... by foobarbecue on Wednesday August 07, 2019 @09:18AM (#20634408)
If they have a margin of 35%, they are wasting 50%. They do not copyedit. If you drop a nonsense sentance into an Elsevier journal after the volunteer editing stage, it'll be there in the published version. I've noticed plenty of typos in my own papers after publication.

> they [open journals] charge authors fees in the high 3-digit range to cover their costs.

Most Elsevier journals charge an ADDITIONAL ~$1500 if you want to open access, supposedly to make up for the lost profits.

EDIT: correction, I just checked the fee for the Elsevier journal JVGR, the last one I published in. It is $2750 per article!!! https://www.elsevier.com/journals/journal-of-volcanology-and...

Oh and don't be confused by "green open access" -- that's not open access. It's just typical smarmy BS marketing. How the hell do we allow these people to be the guardians of science!?

They don't accomplish anything beyond rent-seeking and rubber-stamping. They are as bad as the MPAA and RIAA. I've published papers in Elsevier journals several times, and I'll probably have to keep doing it, because they are the landlord.

They are a major contributing factor to the really serious ignorance problem we have in this country.

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Re:What you may have heard about the dispute between UC and ... by buboard on Wednesday August 07, 2019 @09:39AM (#20634573)
> It is $2750 per article!!!

Elsevier and nature charge $5000 for full open access, and not even in their top journals. Cell reports and scientific reports have high impact factor but are considered second-tier compared to Cell and Nature (The editors of the latter will redirect you to pay to submit to those open access journals if rejected)

https://www.cell.com/rights-sharing-embargoes

And this is all paid with taxpayer money. Good thing that taxpayers don't know about this situation or we d have riots

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Re:What you may have heard about the dispute between UC and ... by dmitriz on Thursday August 08, 2019 @12:12AM (#20641783)
It is public information, how can they not know it?
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