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Re:What you may have heard about the dispute between UC and ... by mcv on Wednesday August 07, 2019 @05:39AM (#20633169)
If everybody starts reading Open Access journals and stops reading Elsevier, the Open Access journals will have more impact.

But yeah, many scientists are paid by slow-moving bureaucratic machines that probably don't care about the issues involved and just want to see them published in old, well-established big-name journals, and not a new upstart that everybody else suddenly wants to consider more important.

Re:What you may have heard about the dispute between UC and ... by lrem on Wednesday August 07, 2019 @06:09AM (#20633318)
No, that's not attached to actual reading. Having access to their whole library, I still preferred to Google for preprint PDF. Even better a "research report", which usually is the same content, but before they were forced to remove half a page of text the last day, because the system forced different margins.

The problem is that many bureaucracies attach some kind of point value to journals on this list, and a different on that list and so on. It's reforming those that is a problem, especially since according to their metrics, which are defined by counting the papers in journals in the lists, everything works perfectly.

Re:What you may have heard about the dispute between UC and ... by rumanator on Wednesday August 07, 2019 @05:53AM (#20633240)
> If everybody starts reading Open Access journals and stops reading Elsevier, the Open Access journals will have more impact.

That's irrelevant. Researchers are forced to publish in high-impact journals to preserve their career, and any newly created journal has zero impact.

Furthermore, some countries/universities enforce a journal whitelist, and evaluate the eir researchers based on the number of papers published in the pre approved list if publications.

Re:What you may have heard about the dispute between UC and ... by mcv on Wednesday August 07, 2019 @10:45AM (#20635159)
So the problem is really with the bureaucrats that force researchers to publish in Elsevier journals. They should reward publication in equally well-reviewed open access journals just as much, if not more so, as publication in Elsevier journals.

And because those bureaucrats are often distributing public funds among those researchers, they should also have an interest in the results of that research being accessible to the public, and as many researchers as possible.

Re:What you may have heard about the dispute between UC and ... by anticensor on Wednesday August 07, 2019 @10:35AM (#20635036)
Those lists are subject to change, though.
Re:What you may have heard about the dispute between UC and ... by Al-Khwarizmi on Wednesday August 07, 2019 @07:46AM (#20633797)
It's not a matter of "stopping reading". Impact factor metrics are based on number of citations. And if I publish a paper on a new method to do X, I am expected to compare to (and thus cite) previous papers that did X. I cannot just decide not to cite relevant previous work because it is published in an Elsevier journal.

Of course, sending papers to OA journals, going the extra mile to cite them, and preferring them to non-OA alternatives when any paper will do (e.g. when you are just providing some examples of applications of X, without being exhaustive, and you can find some in OA and others in non-OA journals) does help.

Re:What you may have heard about the dispute between UC and ... by lonelappde on Wednesday August 07, 2019 @08:40AM (#20634116)
The sad thing is academy solved this exact problem centuries ago with the tenure system, but academics are still cowards
Re:What you may have heard about the dispute between UC and ... by anticensor on Wednesday August 07, 2019 @10:36AM (#20635046)
Tenure only exists in upper levels of academic career.