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Re:Oil Needs to Fall Below $20 to Compete With Green Alterna... by runeks on Monday August 05, 2019 @07:50AM (#20613310)
> Under a scenario of total road transport electrification [...]

I think 30-year oil investments are relatively safe if this is their threat. I can’t see this happening in less than 30 years.

Re:Oil Needs to Fall Below $20 to Compete With Green Alterna... by Brakenshire on Monday August 05, 2019 @08:12AM (#20613432)
I’d say personally total electrification won’t happen for a long time, if ever, but there will be major markets, notably China and the EU, which are substantially electrified over a 30 year timescale.

You also have to bear in mind that electrification is most attractive for vehicles which travel the most distance, and consume the most fuel. Even 20% electrification of the fleet will have a massively outsized impact on oil consumption if it represents all taxis, buses, long distance commuters, road freight, etc. See Bloomberg’s previous research about displacement of fuel from buses:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-03-19/forget-te...

Re:Oil Needs to Fall Below $20 to Compete With Green Alterna... by dsfyu404ed on Monday August 05, 2019 @08:20AM (#20613491)
Taxis and buses will be electrified quickly because it makes a lot of sense

As long as OTR trucking's primary regulatory irritants are weight and working hours it will resist electrification (unless electric somehow magically becomes so dirt cheap to run that it makes up for the limitations).

Re:Oil Needs to Fall Below $20 to Compete With Green Alterna... by donkeyd on Monday August 05, 2019 @08:45AM (#20613687)
> irritants are weight and working hours

Working hours could actually be beneficial in Europe. Drivers require regular breaks over here. If batteries and chargers can sync with the required break cycle, then there's no reason not to go electric.

However, I do think that charging infrastructure will be the main issue, seeing as often tens of trucks will be at the same stop, they'll need a lot of power to get all of them charged within their breaks. Because existing rest stops don't seem located near power lines, that might be a challenge.

Re:Oil Needs to Fall Below $20 to Compete With Green Alterna... by olau on Monday August 05, 2019 @08:14AM (#20613453)
Are you sure? The total road transport electrification scenario means falling demand for a long time, probably with a relatively steep part somewhere. I would certainly not want to bet on something requiring a thirty-year horizon to be profitable in that kind of market.
Re:Oil Needs to Fall Below $20 to Compete With Green Alterna... by ptah on Monday August 05, 2019 @08:10AM (#20613416)
only if current levels of subsidies last
Re:Oil Needs to Fall Below $20 to Compete With Green Alterna... by dsfyu404ed on Monday August 05, 2019 @08:10AM (#20613419)
Yeah. For starters you need some serious grid improvements just about everywhere. That's not a 10yr or 20yr effort because the replacement cycle on most of that equipment is far more than ten or twenty years.
Re:Oil Needs to Fall Below $20 to Compete With Green Alterna... by Brakenshire on Monday August 05, 2019 @08:17AM (#20613476)
The grid is built to handle peak demand, and electric vehicles will mostly be charged off-peak and in particular overnight when there is substantial surplus capacity on the grid, so the need to increase grid capacity will not be as significant as you might think.
Re:Oil Needs to Fall Below $20 to Compete With Green Alterna... by toomuchtodo on Monday August 05, 2019 @10:35AM (#20614529)
An old NREL report from about 5-10 years ago is floating around somewhere that shows that ~77% of light vehicles (ie cars) in the US can be transitioned to electric without any additional grid generation capacity.
Re:Oil Needs to Fall Below $20 to Compete With Green Alterna... by tialaramex on Monday August 05, 2019 @09:40AM (#20614079)
People tend to assume that 100MWh less energy from oil means 100MWh more electricity for the same transport need, but ICE is horribly inefficient so that's not how it works. Most of the energy in that oil is just wasted, an efficient conversion would be too heavy and expensive for a motor vehicle, and oil is so energy rich you get plenty of performance without bothering.