News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:Mosquitoes Changed Everything by LeoPanthera on Sunday August 04, 2019 @03:02PM (#20608561)
I don't know if it's too off-topic but I'd be happy to hijack these comments for a quick discussion of the best way to get rid of mosquitos from around your home. I live in the mountains in California and the little buggers are everywhere.

I bought a UV bug zapper without realising that mosquitos are apparently not attracted to UV. I later learned that they are attracted to CO2, but discussion of CO2 traps on the web imply that they also work very poorly.

Is there anything that can be usefully done?

Re:Mosquitoes Changed Everything by whiddershins on Sunday August 04, 2019 @05:16PM (#20609281)
I am using a biogents active trap with the CO2 attachment, and two passive traps.

This was the result of hours/days of research.

I have seriously considered building a lanai or screen porch because in recent years the mosquitoes render my yard unusable for the duration of the season I want to use it.

This year the torture is very minimal. The trap seems to be incredibly effective, when the co2 tank runs out, I starting getting lots of bites.

It’s not cheap but I think it is far and away the most evidence based option for a homeowner.

Re:Mosquitoes Changed Everything by hinkley on Sunday August 04, 2019 @07:27PM (#20609909)
The other day I was ruminating on the feasibility of creating a honeypot for mosquitos. Basically a breeding basin that purges itself on an interval shorter than the egg laying to larval stage.

Essentially mechanical pest control.

Re:Mosquitoes Changed Everything by mariushn on Monday August 05, 2019 @10:09AM (#20614327)
I've created a project with overview of existing solutions and to brainstorm together: https://github.com/mariusa/mosquito-eradication

Would you please share the details of your idea?

Re:Mosquitoes Changed Everything by simonebrunozzi on Monday August 05, 2019 @02:16PM (#20616686)
Great initiative! Starred and watching.
Re:Mosquitoes Changed Everything by whiddershins on Monday August 05, 2019 @03:20PM (#20617673)
Interesting idea. The passive traps I have either need to be manually emptied and/or use donuts or bits.

Some challenges:

The purging is a difficult part to get right. You need to be absolutely sure no larvae or eggs survive it.

Also if you purge the water regularly it will be less brackish, so less attractive to many species for egg laying. I include decomposing plant matter in my traps in the hopes it makes it more attractive.

I would say definitely check out the biogents passive trap design, it has some clever ideas in a very very simple design.

Re:Mosquitoes Changed Everything by StavrosK on Monday August 05, 2019 @08:56AM (#20613770)
That would be super simple to create, no? Essentially a big bowl with a paddle that would make waves once a day?
Re:Mosquitoes Changed Everything by tenkabuto on Sunday August 04, 2019 @08:36PM (#20610142)
I was recently thinking about making something like this, too! It'd be a fun thing to develop in the open.
Re:Mosquitoes Changed Everything by mariushn on Monday August 05, 2019 @10:09AM (#20614330)
Let's do it! I've created a project with overview of existing solutions and to brainstorm together: https://github.com/mariusa/mosquito-eradication
Re:Mosquitoes Changed Everything by NIL8 on Monday August 05, 2019 @11:51AM (#20615097)
I'd love to know if either of you follow through with this. Sounds interesting.
Re:Mosquitoes Changed Everything by mattferderer on Sunday August 04, 2019 @03:56PM (#20608871)
I've heard a lot of good things about mosquito dunks as a "potentially" safe-ish alternative. They're used as honey pots by putting them in sitting water.

My personal preference this year was to walk around like an idiot swatting at mosquitoes with an electric flyswatter in shady grass areas. Though this is painstaking & I keep thinking I need a bigger flyswatter.

Re:Mosquitoes Changed Everything by feedbeef on Monday August 05, 2019 @12:35AM (#20611321)
Spraying poisonous chemicals can be very effective, but may harm life forms other than mosquitoes.

I wear a bug shirt as an effective alternative to bug spray.

https://www.bugshirt.com/

Some DIY trap/attractant research and ideas:

  https://permies.com/t/115296/critters/trapped-mosquitos
  https://www.bg-sentinel.com/ (see design of device)

  -yeast (do not stir), brown sugar, filtered water
  -common trap design uses 2L bottle cut near top with top inverted and placed into lower section. mosquitoes fly into funnel-like area and lay eggs. important: opaque cover to block light, black supposedly attracts mosquitoes.
  -things to experiment with:
    -5 gal bucket design: inverted funnel, insect screen lid, fan to disperse attractant
    -other attractants: used clothing / shoes (soles) / octinol lures
    -soap to reduce surface tension to drown mosquitoes
    -some say bread works instead of yeast
    -other types of sugar
    -baking soda / citric acid or vinegar CO2 source (quick reaction, need to slow down)
    -mason jar (hydroponic) net pot - line with screen and make hole in bottom
    -fungus / mushroom CO2 sources
    -bt dunks in areas with standing water
    -3d print container/components
    -build bat house (benefit: guano for compost)
Re:Mosquitoes Changed Everything by nightfly on Sunday August 04, 2019 @03:06PM (#20608581)
Try and make sure you don't have any pools of stagnant water around. (long lasting puddles, buckets, other random concavities water can collect in.)
Re:Mosquitoes Changed Everything by pixl97 on Sunday August 04, 2019 @04:10PM (#20608946)
It can be very difficult to find them all. Very small amounts of water can host larvae as long as it is persistent. Potted plants that are watered often and outside drip lines for AC's are really common spots for unintended mosquito farms.
Re:Mosquitoes Changed Everything by whiddershins on Sunday August 04, 2019 @05:18PM (#20609284)
Unless you live on a very large property, the range of the mosquitoes usually far exceed the range of your control over standing water.
Re:Mosquitoes Changed Everything by learc83 on Sunday August 04, 2019 @06:25PM (#20609617)
That depends on the species. Some species tend to stay within a few hundred feet of their breeding grounds, while others can travel for miles (but even then many will still tend to stay very close by).
Re:Mosquitoes Changed Everything by IvyMike on Sunday August 04, 2019 @07:31PM (#20609921)
The Aedes mosquitoes that are invading Los Angeles will apparently breed in an upturned bottle cap or "in the depression of a wrinkled old bag of chips that gets hit by a sprinkler.". Good luck finding all pools of water that big on any significant property. (LA Times semi-paywalled article: https://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-aedes-m... )
Re:Mosquitoes Changed Everything by Scoundreller on Sunday August 04, 2019 @03:22PM (#20608683)
Other than environmental controls (eliminate standing water), this might be the stuff:

https://www.domyown.com/deltagard-insecticide-p-16550.html

Re:Mosquitoes Changed Everything by noonespecial on Sunday August 04, 2019 @05:43PM (#20609403)
That stuff works unreasonably well. Mosquitos so much as landing on surfaces treated with it weeks prior die within minutes, yet its so safe for mammals, farmers spray it directly onto cattle.

The terrible downside is that it is ridiculously toxic to marine life. Use with care and forethought.

Re:Mosquitoes Changed Everything by Scoundreller on Sunday August 04, 2019 @06:24PM (#20609614)
That, and toxic to other pollinating insects.
Re:Mosquitoes Changed Everything by StavrosK on Monday August 05, 2019 @09:13AM (#20613891)
Is this the pyrethrine family? There are various wall-plug mosquito repellants that contain pyrethrines, I didn't want to use tablets/liquids etc but if they're safe they would be a lifesaver.

My flat doesn't have mesh screens and I would much rather open a window than turn the AC on at night, but I then get lots of mosquitos.

Re:Mosquitoes Changed Everything by Scoundreller on Monday August 05, 2019 @09:13PM (#20621084)
Yes they are prethrine based. I've never found the plug-in types to be too effective. But I probably wouldn't detect a 30 or 50% reduction.

Get mesh screens! I never understood why they're non-existen in Europe (and probably other places). Or a mosquito net over the bed?

Re:Mosquitoes Changed Everything by mhb on Sunday August 04, 2019 @04:00PM (#20608895)
So deet?
Re:Mosquitoes Changed Everything by Scoundreller on Sunday August 04, 2019 @04:50PM (#20609150)
Nope, pyrethrin insecticide. Like lice treatment.
Re:Mosquitoes Changed Everything by mhb on Monday August 05, 2019 @09:51AM (#20614181)
Aha. Thanks.
Re:Mosquitoes Changed Everything by markdown on Sunday August 04, 2019 @07:42PM (#20609963)
Spend more time with them. I grew up in the tropical Fijian bush and never noticed mosquitoes. I left for a few years and when I went back, every mosquito bite left an itchy red bump that sometimes got infected (turned into a boil).

After a couple of weeks of this, I redeveloped my resistance to them and no longer even notice them anymore.

Of course this doesn't apply if there's an ongoing mosquito-borne epidemic in your area, but that doesn't happen often. When they're not carrying a disease (which is most of the time), they're pretty harmless.

Re:Mosquitoes Changed Everything by jacobolus on Sunday August 04, 2019 @08:37PM (#20610147)
This varies a lot from person to person. My mom doesn’t have any kind of reaction to mosquito bites. My dad gets angry red welts. They grew up in the same town and have been living together for 50 years. Spending more time in a place with mosquitoes is not going to help him.
Re:Mosquitoes Changed Everything by WalterBright on Sunday August 04, 2019 @03:59PM (#20608885)
I read once that CO2 traps work much better if cow sweat is added to them.
Re:Mosquitoes Changed Everything by oh_sigh on Sunday August 04, 2019 @03:40PM (#20608773)
Certain species of plants are naturally mosquito repelling. I don't provide recommendations because they depend on your zone but it should be easy enough to find. They are not as effective as chemicals, but you just need to make your outdoor living spaces slightly less desirable for them for it to work.

I'm not sure about the co2 traps - you may just be attracting mosquitos from nearby, where only some of them go into the trap and the others find different targets.

The co2 system might work well if you can have it on your property but 50'+ away from where humans hang out.

Re:Mosquitoes Changed Everything by felipemnoa on Sunday August 04, 2019 @04:42PM (#20609109)
>>They are not as effective as chemicals, but you just need to make your outdoor living spaces slightly less desirable for them for it to work.

So basically make your place a bit less desirable than your neighbor's backyard.

Reminds me of this joke:

You don’t have to run faster than the bear to get away. You just have to run faster than the guy next to you.

Re:Mosquitoes Changed Everything by i_feel_great on Sunday August 04, 2019 @07:57PM (#20610029)
I am thinking of planting more trees and bushes around the yard especially closer to the windows and doors to attract spiders and other predators to set up shop (and also because plants aromatic and pretty and good for the environment).

Has anyone else done this and noticed any difference in mozzie numbers? I live in Brisbane Australia.

Re:Mosquitoes Changed Everything by hnick on Sunday August 04, 2019 @08:13PM (#20610078)
Mosquitoes live in trees too unfortunately.

We had a large number of mosquitoes hanging around our back screen door (which opens into a yard, under a covered concrete area).

We had a gardener trim the trees extensively along our back fence for unrelated reasons. We took a couple of metres from the top and branches from the side. The mosquito problem went away overnight. The level of shade/cooling near the door didn't change appreciably, so I assume they were just living in the lush trees and once that went away so did they.

One thing I was looking into before that was bat boxes, since they eat mosquitoes.

https://www.abc.net.au/gardening/factsheets/building-a-bat-b...

Re:Mosquitoes Changed Everything by mariushn on Monday August 05, 2019 @10:08AM (#20614321)
I've created a project with overview of existing solutions and to brainstorm together: https://github.com/mariusa/mosquito-eradication
Re:Mosquitoes Changed Everything by fucking_tragedy on Sunday August 04, 2019 @08:33PM (#20610134)
Beyond netting, the problem requires a large scale solution.