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Re:Apple Reports Declining Profits and Slowing Growth Again by noncoml on Tuesday July 30, 2019 @06:11PM (#20569729)
I don’t even mind the touchbar. Just give me back the Escape key!
Re:Apple Reports Declining Profits and Slowing Growth Again by koolba on Tuesday July 30, 2019 @06:16PM (#20569756)
I thought this was a joke as I haven’t used a recent Mac in a while but apparently it’s not. There really isn’t an escape key!

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT207358

Re:Apple Reports Declining Profits and Slowing Growth Again by Rebelgecko on Tuesday July 30, 2019 @06:25PM (#20569836)
It's extra fun when touchbaragent hangs and you can't force quit anything
Re:Apple Reports Declining Profits and Slowing Growth Again by luminiferous on Tuesday July 30, 2019 @06:40PM (#20569960)
Personally, I just remapped capslock to esc, since I never use capslock. The touchbar does seem to hang more often nowadays, though. Especially when I'm trying to adjust the volume.
Re:Apple Reports Declining Profits and Slowing Growth Again by Shish2k on Tuesday July 30, 2019 @06:39PM (#20569949)
I remapped capslock to escape, which simultaneously gives me back a useful key and gets rid of a useless one :P
Re:Apple Reports Declining Profits and Slowing Growth Again by garysahota93 on Tuesday July 30, 2019 @07:04PM (#20570126)
They are basically telling us "You can't escape our future"
Re:Apple Reports Declining Profits and Slowing Growth Again by eridius on Tuesday July 30, 2019 @09:03PM (#20570810)
Not a physical one, but the hit area on the TouchBar for Esc is actually larger than the physical key was. As much as people like to complain, in my experience the Esc key is extremely easy to hit.
Re:Apple Reports Declining Profits and Slowing Growth Again by Ididntdothis on Tuesday July 30, 2019 @08:43PM (#20570703)
And take the escape key off the TouchBar. I hit it all the time by accident. I really wanted to give the TouchBar a fair shake but after two months I still think it’s beyond useless.
Re:Apple Reports Declining Profits and Slowing Growth Again by neotek on Tuesday July 30, 2019 @09:26PM (#20570933)
I feel your pain, it's my number one problem with the Touch Bar, the second being that it's almost entirely useless in its default mode.

I have two solutions for you, though: firstly, download BetterTouchTool[1] and install the GoldenChaosBTT[2] preset. It's the killer app for the Touch Bar, it turns it into a genuinely useful feature that you'll find yourself using all the time, and BTT in general is an incredibly powerful tool for customising the way you interact with your Mac.

Secondly, switching Caps Lock to the Esc key[3] has been one of the biggest productivity improvements I've made in the last decade, seriously. I wish I'd done it sooner. I've made the switch on every machine I use, even the ones without a Touch Bar.

Hope that helps!

[1] https://folivora.ai

[2] https://community.folivora.ai/t/goldenchaos-btt-a-complete-t...

[3] https://stackoverflow.com/questions/127591/using-caps-lock-a...

Re:Apple Reports Declining Profits and Slowing Growth Again by Ididntdothis on Wednesday July 31, 2019 @10:34AM (#20574713)
Thanks for the tip. I got BTT and now I only have brightness and volume sliders on the Touch Bar and no escape. Much better. Will probably do some customization but it’s already a big improvement.
Re:Apple Reports Declining Profits and Slowing Growth Again by danieldk on Wednesday July 31, 2019 @06:22AM (#20573049)
And in the default configuration I often hit the Siri button when wanting to press Touch ID or (sometimes) backspace.

The TouchBar is nice on paper, actually adds to some applications, but the current implementation is a world of hurt.

Re:Apple Reports Declining Profits and Slowing Growth Again by SomeOldThrow on Tuesday July 30, 2019 @06:26PM (#20569842)
At the minimum I’d like to be able to disable the touch bar. I only ever activate it accidentally and there is zero feedback. I never look at my keys. I really like the fingerprint scanner but it’s not worth the disruption in productivity.
Re:Apple Reports Declining Profits and Slowing Growth Again by m-p-3 on Tuesday July 30, 2019 @06:17PM (#20569764)
At least that, and the idea of making the touchbar an actual tray is a great idea, would like this to be natively done and keep the screen as free as possible for the actual apps.

As long as it's optional, I could see people not liking this.

Re:Apple Reports Declining Profits and Slowing Growth Again by hanniabu on Tuesday July 30, 2019 @06:16PM (#20569752)
They removed the escape key? What the.....

I'm never going to retire my 2013 MBP at this rate.

Re:Apple Reports Declining Profits and Slowing Growth Again by eanzenberg on Tuesday July 30, 2019 @06:36PM (#20569923)
I have an esc key...?
Re:Apple Reports Declining Profits and Slowing Growth Again by ses1984 on Tuesday July 30, 2019 @06:22PM (#20569800)
It's very easy to remap caps lock to escape.
Re:Apple Reports Declining Profits and Slowing Growth Again by computerex on Tuesday July 30, 2019 @06:30PM (#20569869)
That's not the point. You shouldn't have to map caps lock to escape.
Re:Apple Reports Declining Profits and Slowing Growth Again by baddox on Tuesday July 30, 2019 @08:49PM (#20570732)
There will always be other potential physical keys that aren't on your laptop keyboard. You could just as easily say that you shouldn't have to use modifier keys to trigger Page Down on a Macbook Pro keyboard. Where's my Print Screen SysRq key?
Re:Apple Reports Declining Profits and Slowing Growth Again by ses1984 on Wednesday July 31, 2019 @07:47AM (#20573525)
Ok so why isn't the 2012 mbp hated because it doesn't have that key?
Re:Apple Reports Declining Profits and Slowing Growth Again by computerex on Wednesday July 31, 2019 @08:29AM (#20573842)
2012 MBP has the escape key.
Re:Apple Reports Declining Profits and Slowing Growth Again by ses1984 on Wednesday July 31, 2019 @03:08PM (#20577220)
It doesn't have print screen / sysreq, why is that OK?
Re:Apple Reports Declining Profits and Slowing Growth Again by computerex on Wednesday July 31, 2019 @05:10PM (#20578579)
Because those keys are not used nearly as often as escape. And because osx has a different keyboard shortcut for screenshots so the print screen key is largely irrelevant.
Re:Apple Reports Declining Profits and Slowing Growth Again by ses1984 on Wednesday July 31, 2019 @07:15PM (#20579597)
The reasons you listed are largely why I don't care that the escape key is gone from where it was.
Re:Apple Reports Declining Profits and Slowing Growth Again by ses1984 on Tuesday July 30, 2019 @07:38PM (#20570337)
Why not, it's better anyway?
Re:Apple Reports Declining Profits and Slowing Growth Again by thaumasiotes on Tuesday July 30, 2019 @07:50PM (#20570419)
Because caps lock is already remapped to ctrl. :p
Re:Apple Reports Declining Profits and Slowing Growth Again by computerex on Tuesday July 30, 2019 @07:45PM (#20570389)
You are entitled to your opinion. Don't thrust it onto others.
Re:Apple Reports Declining Profits and Slowing Growth Again by SomeOldThrow on Tuesday July 30, 2019 @06:37PM (#20569932)
If only it were so easy to remap my hand! Caps lock is already dedicated to control and most apps don’t support ^[.
Re:Apple Reports Declining Profits and Slowing Growth Again by jnevelson on Tuesday July 30, 2019 @07:40PM (#20570354)
Check out Karabiner Elements (https://pqrs.org/osx/karabiner/).

You can create a rule to change caps lock to control if pressed with other keys, else escape if pressed alone.

I have no affiliation with it, just ran into this issue myself and it solved it for me.

Re:Apple Reports Declining Profits and Slowing Growth Again by Lio on Wednesday July 31, 2019 @03:09AM (#20572264)
That kind of highlights an issue for me though. If Apple were really on the ball with macOS they would have a better remap utility built in.

Instead we have Karabiner Elements which has been of mixed stability in my experience.

Many times I've had it completely disable the internal keyboard on my late 2013 MBP to the point where I have to plug in a USB keyboard to recover or if on the road do a force power reset.

Re:Apple Reports Declining Profits and Slowing Growth Again by ses1984 on Tuesday July 30, 2019 @07:40PM (#20570353)
Ok then it you have caps remapped to ctrl, remap ctrl to escape.

There are many valid criticisms of the touch bar macs, losing one key in particular is pretty low on the list.

Re:Apple Reports Declining Profits and Slowing Growth Again by thaumasiotes on Tuesday July 30, 2019 @07:54PM (#20570441)
> i[f] you have caps remapped to ctrl, remap ctrl to escape

The whole reason to remap caps lock to ctrl is that ctrl is in a terrible location.

Re:Apple Reports Declining Profits and Slowing Growth Again by ses1984 on Wednesday July 31, 2019 @07:49AM (#20573541)
Escape is in a relatively terrible location as well, the default ctrl location is just as bad, hence remapping escape there isn't really worse than escape in the top left.
Re:Apple Reports Declining Profits and Slowing Growth Again by Lio on Wednesday July 31, 2019 @03:05AM (#20572246)
Not so much when you already remap the Caps lock key to Ctrl though.
Re:Apple Reports Declining Profits and Slowing Growth Again by noncoml on Tuesday July 30, 2019 @11:31PM (#20571500)
“You are holding it wrong”?
Re:Apple Reports Declining Profits and Slowing Growth Again by dkonofalski on Tuesday July 30, 2019 @06:42PM (#20569979)
They didn't remove it, at least not functionally. There's still an ESC, it's just on the Touch Bar now.
Re:Apple Reports Declining Profits and Slowing Growth Again by echelon on Tuesday July 30, 2019 @07:05PM (#20570132)
That's not an escape key. Please don't apologize for this.

I use vim and switch between a butterfly/touchbar Mac (work machine) and a Thinkpad (personal machine). Using the Mac keyboard has actually negatively impacted my typing speed when I use other systems! I remapped my vim keybindings, and now my muscle memory has atrophied.

This dumb machine has actually made me a worse typist. I am so frustrated.

Re:Apple Reports Declining Profits and Slowing Growth Again by dkonofalski on Wednesday July 31, 2019 @11:25AM (#20575153)
That sucks for you. I'm able to use it just fine and the Touch Bar is way more functional for me both as a developer and for editing digital media.
Re:Apple Reports Declining Profits and Slowing Growth Again by philwelch on Tuesday July 30, 2019 @08:18PM (#20570564)
Remap caps lock to escape. I use vim and I can't stand the "standard" esc key position anymore.
Re:Apple Reports Declining Profits and Slowing Growth Again by acchow on Tuesday July 30, 2019 @07:47PM (#20570403)
MacOS supports remapping caps lock to escape. No hacks needed!