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Re:The Lithium Mine Buildup Is Outpacing the Electric-Car Boom by threeseed on Sunday July 28, 2019 @10:25PM (#20551060)
> with no serious competitors

Seems to be a different story in the US versus Europe.

In Europe they have a lot more competitors either with cars now or coming soon e.g. VW ID3, VW Polestar 2, BMW i3, Honda e, Peuegot e-208, Renault Zoe, Nissan Leaf, Hyundai Kona EV, Mercedes EQC400/EQS, Audi eTron, Jaguar I-PACE etc.

Tesla has largely had the market to itself but now you are seeing much higher quality cars with only slightly less range.

Re:The Lithium Mine Buildup Is Outpacing the Electric-Car Boom by sjwright on Sunday July 28, 2019 @11:04PM (#20551222)
Most of those are either quirky and compromised or simply not (yet) available in serious quantities.

I'm personally looking forward to the Hyundai/Kia models, as they seem to be closest to getting the formula right—enough range, enough power, enough fit and finish. Once the cost and supply of batteries is "solved" they could dominate the economy segment for a while.

Re:The Lithium Mine Buildup Is Outpacing the Electric-Car Boom by clouddrover on Monday July 29, 2019 @12:40AM (#20551560)
Volkswagen will likely soon overtake Hyundai with their MEB platform cars. The initial MEB models are:

- Volkswagen ID.3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8cHHNPRg-c

- SEAT el-Born: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZI7WFtwc8g

- Skoda Vision iV: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-f1g9xl6W_E

- Audi Q4 e-tron: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiwevzHsCbU

Hyundai may also have some battery problems to deal with at the moment:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/electric-car-catches...

Re:The Lithium Mine Buildup Is Outpacing the Electric-Car Boom by sjwright on Monday July 29, 2019 @06:48AM (#20553178)
Volkswagen might do well in electrics, but that remains to be seen. Personally it'll take a while for the dieselgate stench to leave that company, at least for me. (I don't care so much about the actual emissions, for me it showed the contempt they have for their customers.)
Re:The Lithium Mine Buildup Is Outpacing the Electric-Car Boom by clouddrover on Monday July 29, 2019 @08:16AM (#20553718)
Volkswagen are doing well in electric motorsport:

- The Volkswagen ID.R set the fastest Goodwood hill time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8il5ohB8FYk

- The VW ID.R set the fastest Pikes Peak time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnH15dejp0s

- The VW ID.R set the fastest electric time (second fastest overall time) at the Nürburgring-Nordschleife: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRCiGABQupA

- Audi is already in Formula E: https://www.audi.com/en/experience-audi/audi-sport/audi-raci...

- And Porsche is joining Formula E next season: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUrkD7WTs0w

Which they'll use to advertise the Porsche Taycan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohHEdaRhF1k

Volkswagen is investing a lot in electrics. They're doing it to clean up their image from the diesel emissions scandal, to meet the new emissions standards being set by the EU and others, and to avoid being locked out of markets which have already set timetables for banning ICE cars (like Norway and the city of Paris).

Re:The Lithium Mine Buildup Is Outpacing the Electric-Car Boom by sjwright on Monday July 29, 2019 @09:47PM (#20561362)
Please, you're acting like an employee of their marketing department. Your rabid enthusiasm is not interesting. They're a car company that wants to be successful, not a sports team. Still, good luck to them—and maybe I might even consider an electric VW in the future—but it'll be a while before their reputation is repaired.

(And thankfully their EVs won't have their junky and jerky DSG transmissions...so that's another plus.)

Re:The Lithium Mine Buildup Is Outpacing the Electric-Car Boom by clouddrover on Monday July 29, 2019 @10:13PM (#20561522)
> Please, you're acting like an employee of their marketing department.

Nope. I'm just across the issues and the state of play more than you are.

Re:The Lithium Mine Buildup Is Outpacing the Electric-Car Boom by shiftpgdn on Sunday July 28, 2019 @10:27PM (#20551064)
You can buy almost all of those cars in the US. My experience has been however that dealers have little to no interest in selling them to you.
Re:The Lithium Mine Buildup Is Outpacing the Electric-Car Boom by sokoloff on Monday July 29, 2019 @07:00AM (#20553236)
Dealers make most of their profits in the service bays, not on the sales floor. It's much better for them to make a few hundred dollars profit selling a car that will (statistically) regularly return to the service bays than to make a thousand or more on a car that will not darken their service bays nearly as often.
Re:The Lithium Mine Buildup Is Outpacing the Electric-Car Boom by varjag on Monday July 29, 2019 @06:43AM (#20553158)
In higher end they are marginal next to Tesla share. Low end, Nissan, VW and BMW gained some foothold simply by entering it earlier than Tesla with model 3.