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Re:“My GitHub account has been restricted due to US sanction... by baroffoos on Thursday July 25, 2019 @09:18PM (#20531489)
Does that make it better?
Re:“My GitHub account has been restricted due to US sanction... by dvt on Thursday July 25, 2019 @09:19PM (#20531500)
No, it just makes it a geopolitical reality that you have to somehow punish Russia when it mobilizes ground forces and forcibly annexes pieces of land. Don't forget that Russian-backed insurgents literally shot a passenger plane out of the sky[1].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17

Re:“My GitHub account has been restricted due to US sanction... by dn3 on Thursday July 25, 2019 @09:43PM (#20531634)
I don't mean this to sound aggressive, but would you agree then with sanctioning the U.S. after its actual military shot down an Iranian passenger plane, inside Iranian waters [1].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655

Re:“My GitHub account has been restricted due to US sanction... by dvt on Thursday July 25, 2019 @09:51PM (#20531672)
Someone always brings up 655.

Say what you will, the US government at least paid out to the victims (although never officially apologized). While Russia denies all involvement to this day and lawsuits are still ongoing.

Re:“My GitHub account has been restricted due to US sanction... by Hidios on Thursday July 25, 2019 @09:59PM (#20531713)
Saying Russia did it too and they were much worse about it is not a valid defense of anything.
Re:“My GitHub account has been restricted due to US sanction... by dvt on Thursday July 25, 2019 @10:52PM (#20531977)
It wasn’t a defense. Two terrible things happened (let’s assume both accidental). The US admitted Iran-655 was an “accident that resulted in a loss of life” and paid out ~$200k per victim. Russia pretends like MH-17 never happened. Who do you think has more of a moral high ground?
Re:“My GitHub account has been restricted due to US sanction... by chinhodado on Thursday July 25, 2019 @11:16PM (#20532076)
Not defending Russia, just saying the circumstances are a bit different. Iran-655 was downed by a US warship - clear from the outset and no space for argument, while MH-17 was downed by (most probably) Russian separatists with a mobile missiles system, which allows for a lot of deniability, and since they had the chance to deny it they went with it. The US didn't even have that luxury.
Re:“My GitHub account has been restricted due to US sanction... by dn3 on Friday July 26, 2019 @08:04PM (#20539380)
Ignoring your initial tone, I see what you're saying, and agree these aren't identical cases. Though it should be emphasized they only payed out to the victims because Iran brought it to the international courts and they wanted to settle. They never, as you said, apologized, or even thought they had any legal obligation to the victims. Feels like your splitting hairs with "Russia denies involvement" as being dramatically different -- both seem like terrible events that neither super power really feels responsible for despite being the ones who put those weapons where they were without legitimacy.
Re:“My GitHub account has been restricted due to US sanction... by option on Thursday July 25, 2019 @09:27PM (#20531544)
Have you actually been to Crimea? Because I had and still have lots of relatives there (I am originally from Ukraine). I have zero doubt that overwhelming majority of people there (easily over 70%) want to be with Russia instead of Ukraine
Re:“My GitHub account has been restricted due to US sanction... by my_first_acct on Thursday July 25, 2019 @09:41PM (#20531628)
I think your numbers are probably correct. I don't happen to know another number: how many people in Chechnya would rather be independent than part of Russia. But it doesn't matter; the Russian government is very selective about how it applies the "right to self-determination".

The Russian government is likewise selective in its interpretation of the Budapest agreement (1994) [1], in which Russia guaranteed Ukraine's territorial integrity in return for Ukraine giving up nuclear weapons.

Edit: I incorrectly wrote "Bucharest agreement"; fixed it (thanks jotm)

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Securit...

Re:“My GitHub account has been restricted due to US sanction... by DiogenesKynikos on Thursday July 25, 2019 @11:39PM (#20532182)
Russia is hardly unique in being selective in its support for the right of self-determination. The independence of Kosovo was illegal under international law, but supported by the United States and its allies. Most of those same countries are now sanctioning Russia for annexing Crimea, even though that was clearly the will of a large majority of Crimeans. Everyone is hypocritical about these matters.

Interestingly, Spain is somewhat consistent here: they don't recognize Kosovo, because they have their own separatist troubles in Catalonia.

Re:“My GitHub account has been restricted due to US sanction... by lacampbell on Thursday July 25, 2019 @10:39PM (#20531927)
But it doesn't matter; the Russian government is very selective about how it applies the "right to self-determination".

That's the crux of the issue I think. To be consistent you would surely have to support both Chechnya and Crimea having the right to self-determination - or neither having the right to self-determination.

EDIT: So let me ask you - do you support both, or neither?

Re:“My GitHub account has been restricted due to US sanction... by gdy on Friday July 26, 2019 @07:48AM (#20534028)
To be consistent you would surely have to condemn the US and EU for not imposing sanctions on the Chechnya.
Re:“My GitHub account has been restricted due to US sanction... by my_first_acct on Friday July 26, 2019 @12:13AM (#20532301)
Are you asking me? I would find it hard to be consistent: Kosovo, Abkhazia, Palestine, Chechnya, Crimea, so many choices to make, so many fine differences, so much tangled history.

I do (retrospectively) support the US decision in 1861 to prevent the Confederate states from seceding, despite the expressed will of the white, property-owning part of the local population, so there's that.

Re:“My GitHub account has been restricted due to US sanction... by lacampbell on Friday July 26, 2019 @06:30AM (#20533737)
Sounds like you pick and choose based on how much you like the ethnic group in question - which is exactly why Russia supports it for Crimea but not for Chechnya.

Ethnic conflicts aren't soccer matches where you should pick a team to support.

Re:“My GitHub account has been restricted due to US sanction... by my_first_acct on Friday July 26, 2019 @01:17PM (#20536395)
In this discussion, I've explicitly (and quite off topic) expressed support for the Union side in the US Civil War, and I've implicitly supported Ukraine's side in the Crimean dispute. I don't think that gives you enough data points to deduce whether I choose sides on the basis of ethnicity, or because of a liking for the letter U, or (most probable?) a curmudgeonly dislike of change.
Re:“My GitHub account has been restricted due to US sanction... by jotm on Thursday July 25, 2019 @09:46PM (#20531658)
Bucharest and Budapest are two different cities :)
Re:“My GitHub account has been restricted due to US sanction... by option on Thursday July 25, 2019 @09:50PM (#20531667)
I agree with what you said. But this means that US/West sanctions people for their democratic choice.

We should instead sanction people associated with Russia’s totalitarian government.

Re:“My GitHub account has been restricted due to US sanction... by my_first_acct on Thursday July 25, 2019 @10:11PM (#20531785)
The US has in fact sanctioned Russian officials associated with the annexation of Crimea. [1]

You might also spare some sympathy for those residents of Crimea who did not wish to join the Russian Federation, for example, many Crimean Tatars. Not only have they suffered the loss of access to github, they also have to contend with a campaign of political repression. [2]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_sanctioned_duri...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Crimea#Crimean_Tat...

Re:“My GitHub account has been restricted due to US sanction... by SpaceRaccoon on Friday July 26, 2019 @03:42AM (#20533069)
So whose will should trump the other? The majority or the minority?

Perhaps you should spare some sympathy for the majority of the Crimean populace who wished to rejoin Russia- I notice you have none.

Re:“My GitHub account has been restricted due to US sanction... by baddox on Thursday July 25, 2019 @09:24PM (#20531529)
Something tells me Russia is not particularly bothered by the inability of people in Crimea to use GitHub.
Re:“My GitHub account has been restricted due to US sanction... by asdfasgasdgasdg on Thursday July 25, 2019 @09:32PM (#20531581)
Of course. Nobody is particularly bothered by the loss of one company's services. It's the totality of the effect that you're looking for.
Re:“My GitHub account has been restricted due to US sanction... by jwieczorek on Friday July 26, 2019 @12:31PM (#20536022)
After the Ukrainian air traffic control spent weeks bringing the same flight closer and closer to the war zone, even though a ban on air traffic over that territory should have been put there immediately. No one is questioning the Ukrainian side how come they've "lost" and have not put forward before the Dutch Safety Board the primary radar recordings of the Dnepropetrovsk area from that period. The Ukrainian government, and the U.S., at that very moment needed something like this to happen to get the Western European governments to put their stake in that war and the Western European societies to approve it. They're partially responsible for this crash and in that regard your description of this event is highly misguiding.
Re:“My GitHub account has been restricted due to US sanction... by viraptor on Thursday July 25, 2019 @09:27PM (#20531543)
I agree with the idea, but wonder if that really hurts the right people. People in Crimea get both annexed and punished on global market. Russia gets access to what it wanted and gets no real punishment.
Re:“My GitHub account has been restricted due to US sanction... by option on Thursday July 25, 2019 @09:24PM (#20531527)
this punishes people who live in Crimea