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Re:About the “Security Issue” on VLC by LeonM on Wednesday July 24, 2019 @06:31AM (#20513786)
So none of the tech news websites contacted VideoLAN and published their articles without checking their source.

I believe this sums up the problem with online news: being first matters most to news sites. It drives traffic. Accurate reporting comes second.

I feel bad for VideoLAN, according to them the bug was in a 3rd party lib and was fixed 16 months ago.

Re:About the “Security Issue” on VLC by jbk on Wednesday July 24, 2019 @06:47AM (#20513853)
> So none of the tech news websites contacted VideoLAN and published their articles without checking their source.

Actually, one did: numerama. That's all.

> I feel bad for VideoLAN, according to them the bug was in a 3rd party lib and was fixed 16 months ago.

My night and morning have been difficult, as you can imagine...

Re:About the “Security Issue” on VLC by JosephRedfern on Wednesday July 24, 2019 @06:58AM (#20513908)
I'm sorry that you're having a bad couple of days thanks to shitty journalism.

Thank you for your efforts in developing VLC, it is a great tool.

Re:About the “Security Issue” on VLC by bane on Thursday July 25, 2019 @12:32AM (#20522559)
I don't know if it matters at all, but after hearing the news, I still fired up VLC to watch a few videos because I feel you guys have built up enough credibility and credit that such an extraordinary claim would require extraordinary evidence (which I wasn't seeing) and if there was a problem, your team would fix it ASAP.

Please keep up the awesome work, VLC is a treasure.

Re:About the “Security Issue” on VLC by BasicObject on Wednesday July 24, 2019 @04:10PM (#20519145)
I wanted to thank you for your work on VLC as well. It has been my go to video player for many years.
Re:About the “Security Issue” on VLC by wademealing on Wednesday July 24, 2019 @08:30AM (#20514499)
I wrote to NIST/NVD tis morning about the CVSS score (12+ hours ago now) they haven't got back to me.
Re:About the “Security Issue” on VLC by madez on Wednesday July 24, 2019 @11:42AM (#20516338)
Thank you for your contributions on VLC.

It shines bad light on the official institutions that they haven't checked back with you.

Re:About the “Security Issue” on VLC by meowface on Wednesday July 24, 2019 @09:37PM (#20521874)
We all love VLC and know the hard work you put into it, and into keeping it secure. Don't stress too much. The media buzz will die down soon.
Re:About the “Security Issue” on VLC by chachachoney on Wednesday July 24, 2019 @03:21PM (#20518701)
Off topic, but...

I've used VLC on all supported platforms for almost as long as it's been in existence: THANK YOU.

Re:About the “Security Issue” on VLC by simonebrunozzi on Wednesday July 24, 2019 @01:58PM (#20517813)
It will sound boring quickly, but I also want to thank you for developing VLC. Great work. Amazing work. You have many devoted fans all around the world.
Re:About the “Security Issue” on VLC by random42 on Thursday July 25, 2019 @05:35AM (#20523939)
Thank you for VLC. It has literally been the only software that I've ever donated towards.
Re:About the “Security Issue” on VLC by thr0w__4w4y on Friday July 26, 2019 @09:46PM (#20539872)
Yep, me too -- thanks so much for the great VLC player, keep up the great work!
Re:About the “Security Issue” on VLC by larrysalibra on Wednesday July 24, 2019 @06:40AM (#20513827)
News articles not checking sources is pretty standard. A few years ago I had a blog post about something regarding Apple picked up by the Hong Kong Free Press and then the New York Times. It ended up resulting in articles across hundreds of publications. The only publications that talked to me and Apple were the New York Times, the original Hong Kong Free Press and a CNN money reporter. Everyone else was just rewriting other posts.

The economics of the industry drive this behavior - most reporters have a quota of stories they have to write per day and there's no time or budget to even email sources let alone sit around waiting for a reply.

If you want to read more about this, I recommend the book "Trust me, I'm lying" by Ryan Holiday.

Re:About the “Security Issue” on VLC by nemosaltat on Wednesday July 24, 2019 @09:31AM (#20515053)
Excellent book. I particularly like his thoughts on the “link economy”- how links give credence to statements in an article despite the fact that they may not even link to a relevant or accurate source.

That said, I “read” a lot of of audiobooks and this one is self-narrated. I highly recommend the book, but don’t recommend Ryan Holiday as a narrator.

Re:About the “Security Issue” on VLC by fernandotakai on Wednesday July 24, 2019 @10:02AM (#20515350)
i've found that trust me i'm lying was horribly recorded (at least on audible) --i tried listening to it twice, and just couldn't.

i also tried listening to conspiracy, also by him, and it was much more enjoyable (he narrates, but the sound quality is much better).

Re:About the “Security Issue” on VLC by Zenst on Wednesday July 24, 2019 @07:13AM (#20513982)
If VLC was a commercial product, this would be a lawyer time for effectively damaging reputation based upon lies and would see many media outlet dragged over the coals.

VLC is not a commercial product, but equally still took the same impact from this and as we know, many end-user will be oblivious of any retraction as the case with many media retractions/corrections that get buried and do not traction.

Maybe we need Open Lawyer as well as Open Source!

I'm of the thinking that the only way media would get any education would be litigation. Sad I know, but that is the World they operate in. Why else do media outlets have lawyer departments.

Re:About the “Security Issue” on VLC by Erwin on Wednesday July 24, 2019 @11:39AM (#20516312)
Remember the Bloomberg Supermicro story? If a billion-dollar company cannot get Bloomberg to retract their stories, what chance does an open source project have?

Has any American newspaper or person or politician on twitter been forced to retract exaggerated claims?

Re:About the “Security Issue” on VLC by dvtrn on Wednesday July 24, 2019 @02:07PM (#20517930)
Has any American newspaper or person or politician on twitter been forced to retract exaggerated claims?

Seemingly.

https://digitalcommons.wku.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1...

Re:About the “Security Issue” on VLC by notriddle on Wednesday July 24, 2019 @01:46PM (#20517669)
Isn't that what the Software Freedom Conservancy does?
Re:About the “Security Issue” on VLC by Zenst on Thursday July 25, 2019 @12:25AM (#20522535)
https://sfconservancy.org/about/

I'm not sure, doesn't look like this would fall under their remit, but no definitive yes or no jumping out for me either.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_Freedom_Conservancy

Not a long litigation list either, so hard to see any comparable cases in the two instances listed.

So I'm going to lean against a no, but I'm not 100% sure upon this.

Re:About the “Security Issue” on VLC by reneberlin on Wednesday July 24, 2019 @10:52AM (#20515843)
'Exactly what i wanted to write. Thx. So i didn't had to type so much on a glass-surface :)
Re:About the “Security Issue” on VLC by pbhjpbhj on Wednesday July 24, 2019 @07:16AM (#20513997)
[Edit, see below.]
Re:About the “Security Issue” on VLC by jbk on Wednesday July 24, 2019 @07:20AM (#20514015)
VLC is open source, distributed by VideoLAN non-profit and is totally non-commercial. The only money received by the non-profit is through donations.
Re:About the “Security Issue” on VLC by pbhjpbhj on Wednesday July 24, 2019 @07:41AM (#20514140)
I didn't express that well: In copyright terms, if you compete with commercial; or acquire money via a side-channel then it's "commercial" ... what I was trying to express was that it occupies a space where it's serious software and that damage to it's reputation should be treated just as seriously as damage to a sold product from a for-profit.

Apologies.

Re:About the “Security Issue” on VLC by nickpsecurity on Wednesday July 24, 2019 @11:25AM (#20516176)
Thanks for your hard work on VLC. I love it. Throwing you a quick donation so you have something good happening during an otherwise rough time.

@ you and any lawyers

I know you probably don't want to go to some long-term battle in the courts with any of these groups. What about a libel suit in small claims court against each one? I wonder if that's even possible. If so, start with one to keep time/costs down, then (if victorious) hit the others either one at a time or simultaneously. At the least, the wins raise you some funding while providing some small deterrence from them doing it again.

Re:About the “Security Issue” on VLC by Zenst on Wednesday July 24, 2019 @07:52AM (#20514226)
Yes, hence they don't have a lawyer ontap, which was kinda the point I was making. The education (what I'm going to call it) that they could bestow upon these bismershing media outlets, would fund much Open Source work for VLC.
Re:About the “Security Issue” on VLC by dvtrn on Wednesday July 24, 2019 @11:07AM (#20515979)
You say “they don’t have a lawyer” I don’t know if you realize you’re addressing the lead developer and president of VLC. I think he may be quite a bit more aware of his org’s ability and desire to retain legal counsel than all of us.
Re:About the “Security Issue” on VLC by Zenst on Thursday July 25, 2019 @12:28AM (#20522544)
I was not, I am now blush. You're right of course.
Re:About the “Security Issue” on VLC by Maxious on Wednesday July 24, 2019 @06:38AM (#20513808)
Re:About the “Security Issue” on VLC by jbk on Wednesday July 24, 2019 @06:49AM (#20513860)
> To boot https://www.securityfocus.com/bid/109304 claims all versions are vulnerable and the vendor reported it

Of course, we never reported such a thing: a security issue in a 3rd party library, fixed more than 16months ago. And VLC binaries were updated 16months ago too...

The issue is that MITRE is not doing its job when assigning the CVE or even checking the validity of the claim. But they refuse to talk to us. Why?

Re:About the “Security Issue” on VLC by dsfyu404ed on Wednesday July 24, 2019 @08:00AM (#20514265)
>But they refuse to talk to us. Why?

Because stonewalling is SOP for government bureaucracies when they screw up.

When you're the government the various systems the people you screwed have for recourse work slightly differently so stonewalling works better than spewing out a ton of deny and distract PR like corporations do.

Re:About the “Security Issue” on VLC by majewsky on Wednesday July 24, 2019 @11:02AM (#20515943)
> Because stonewalling is SOP for big orgs when they screw up.

FTFY

A lot of people seem to be under the impression that when you just privatize a government agency, it magically becomes better. It doesn't.

Re:About the “Security Issue” on VLC by tastroder on Wednesday July 24, 2019 @06:49AM (#20513861)
I really wonder where the CVE got their "attack vector: network" and CERT "remote: yes" classifications from.

Even on vulnerable systems this seems to have been a local issue (or do they do that for anything that might potentially pull malicious files from outside sources? Sounds kind of backwards.)

Re:About the “Security Issue” on VLC by jbk on Wednesday July 24, 2019 @06:53AM (#20513886)
> I really wonder where the CVE got their "attack vector: network" and CERT "remote: yes" classifications from.

They always do that with VLC: even file can be on a playlist, and a playlist can be sent by email or over the web, with a link...

So they classify all VLC bugs with network and remote.

Re:About the “Security Issue” on VLC by virgilp on Wednesday July 24, 2019 @06:58AM (#20513909)
By that token, is there ANY application where the attack vector is not 'network' and 'remote' is 'no'? Because I fail to think of any minimally-useful app that doesn't open external files.
Re:About the “Security Issue” on VLC by throwaway_391 on Wednesday July 24, 2019 @07:27AM (#20514052)
CVSS is an insane rating system made for a simpler time by antiquated practices which doesn't account for many factors either well if at all.

Hover your mouse over each button https://www.first.org/cvss/calculator/3.0 . There's Attack complexity 'low' and 'high', for instance. You're either a script kiddie or have a two billion dollar exploitation budget and all the human resources you need, but nothing in between.

Re:About the “Security Issue” on VLC by wademealing on Wednesday July 24, 2019 @08:33AM (#20514526)
I will wear my vendor hat here for a moment,

AC not about the attacker, but the configuration of the component being assessed.

Re:About the “Security Issue” on VLC by throwaway_391 on Friday July 26, 2019 @09:00AM (#20534431)
It's both:

"A successful attack depends on conditions beyond the attacker's control. That is, a successful attack cannot be accomplished at will, but requires the attacker to invest in some measurable amount of effort in preparation or execution against the vulnerable component before a successful attack can be expected. For example, a successful attack may require the attacker: to perform target-specific reconnaissance; to prepare the target environment to improve exploit reliability; or to inject herself into the logical network path between the target and the resource requested by the victim in order to read and/or modify network communications (e.g. a man in the middle attack)."

But you could also argue 'Attack complexity' of any exploit which has per-os/arch exploits requires reconnaissance. There, I just boxed MS08-67 (which is arch-specific, iirc) as 'Attack Complexity: High' with pretty much any theoretical crypto attack which would cost billions to exploit :)

Lets not forget CVSS doesn't assess likelihood or business impact well (or at all) either. Your org is far more likely to get rekt if you do not enforce application whitelisting, compared to an intranet-exposed drupalgeddon vulnerability.

Re:About the “Security Issue” on VLC by jbk on Wednesday July 24, 2019 @07:03AM (#20513932)
Because we support playlists. I know it does make sense, but Mitre is never answering.
Re:About the “Security Issue” on VLC by skykooler on Wednesday July 24, 2019 @09:31AM (#20515045)
Calculator?
Re:About the “Security Issue” on VLC by virgilp on Wednesday July 24, 2019 @11:37AM (#20516298)
True dat. And Solitaire, I guess :)
Re:About the “Security Issue” on VLC by dvfjsdhgfv on Wednesday July 24, 2019 @06:57AM (#20513905)
I guess they will change them silently at some point. It's more or less obvious they don't check the reports.
Re:About the “Security Issue” on VLC by lucideer on Wednesday July 24, 2019 @09:16AM (#20514914)
This is worse though. Neither MITRECorp, CERT-Bund.de nor NIST are tech news websites or journalistic publications. This is beyond being an issue with online news: this is an issue with security organisations actively ignoring their own policies due—seemingly—to an institutional disregard for a non-commercial FOSS project.
Re:About the “Security Issue” on VLC by nvr219 on Wednesday July 24, 2019 @10:04PM (#20521994)
> I believe this sums up the problem with online news: being first matters most to news sites. It drives traffic. Accurate reporting comes second.

This problem has been around as long as more than one news outlet has been around... Getting the story first over getting the story right didn't get invented by online news.

Re:About the “Security Issue” on VLC by rkagerer on Wednesday July 24, 2019 @11:09AM (#20516000)
Suggest everyone here pick a couple of news agencies who propagated this crap and write to the editors admonishing their shoddy fact-checking. I emailed two this morning.
Re:About the “Security Issue” on VLC by npiht on Wednesday July 24, 2019 @06:41AM (#20513830)
I expect a little bit of personal responsibility at this point. You simply should not believe what you read in the news. It's either not researched at all or just false.