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Re:Toilets of the World by timthorn on Tuesday July 23, 2019 @05:37PM (#20510446)
The cubicles aren't really covered by the website, but I'm always struck by how little privacy is afforded by the dividing walls in toilets in the USA.
Re:Toilets of the World by tuna-piano on Tuesday July 23, 2019 @07:13PM (#20511058)
I don't understand it either, and it's not just us. I guess after WhatsApp + Facebook merged, there were also some cross-company clashes about that too -

"Some [Facebook] employees even took issue with WhatsApp’s desks, which were a holdover from the Mountain View location and larger than the standard desks in the Facebook offices. WhatsApp also negotiated for nicer bathrooms, with doors that reach the floor..."

Why a company paying their people tons of money won't spend a bit on the bathroom doors that reach the floor, I do not understand.

https://qz.com/work/1299178/facebook-and-whatsapp-the-real-r...

Re:Toilets of the World by colanderman on Wednesday July 24, 2019 @01:34AM (#20512597)
I read once that one reason is ADA compliance. Having a gap under the partitions allows space for the toes of wheelchair users to navigate, so the stalls may be smaller. DDG turns up this plumbing blog post which lists that among other non-obvious reasons: https://onepointpartitions.com/why-are-bathroom-stalls-not-t...

And a more authoritative reference here: https://www.ada.gov/regs2010/2010ADAStandards/2010ADAstandar... (Ctrl+F "604.8.1.4")

Re:Toilets of the World by ThePadawan on Wednesday July 24, 2019 @02:10AM (#20512726)
Do public restrooms in the US typically have stalls for handicapped people? That would require two to be built (one for each gender). Contrast that with building a completely separate restroom - you can only build one, and you can still have a smaller footprint on the "regular" stalls.
Re:Toilets of the World by xxpor on Wednesday July 24, 2019 @05:29AM (#20513522)
Yes. Separate rooms do exist but are pretty rare.
Re:Toilets of the World by H8crilA on Wednesday July 24, 2019 @04:55AM (#20513376)
Yeah but why doesn't it go to the ceiling? I don't want to make eye contact with my pooping neighborhood when we both stand up. And, the smaller issue, why are there gaps around the door?
Re:Toilets of the World by cco on Tuesday July 23, 2019 @10:42PM (#20512011)
I've brought this up at my workplace as well and it isn't a budget issue in the US, it's mostly a lack of creativity or follow through from your office management team. Because more private, both in height and gap, doors aren't common in the US contractors aren't used to installing them and suppliers don't commonly carry them.

You can find them at suppliers in major cities but you have to rely on the persistence of your office managers to track them down and spend time on something that most people don't rally around or bring up in discussions. The compromise in my office was rubber strips that cover the gaps found in normal stall doors, those are easily bought and installed by anybody.

Re:Toilets of the World by acomjean on Tuesday July 23, 2019 @11:28PM (#20512187)
Lack of standards for stall doors (its probably not in the code so anything goes and I suspect if the door is closer to the floor it needs a more precise (expensive) installation.

Lack of code is also probably the cause of the randomness of urinal heights.

Re:Toilets of the World by klez on Tuesday July 23, 2019 @06:25PM (#20510782)
I've never visited the US, so I'm curious about what you mean. Is it the fact that they are thin and have nothing above and under? Because that's how they are here in Italy as well, at least in certain train stations, on highways and other high usage places.
Re:Toilets of the World by simonebrunozzi on Tuesday July 23, 2019 @07:31PM (#20511135)
Most toilets in Italy are NOT that way (source: I am Italian), but rather they go floor to ceiling. I live in San Francisco now, and most toilets in the US cover only the middle space (open at the floor and ceiling).
Re:Toilets of the World by IshKebab on Tuesday July 23, 2019 @08:03PM (#20511284)
I think he's taking about how the stall door doesn't overlap the walls. Instead it is next to the walls and there is a significant (5 mm maybe) gap that lets you see into the stall. No it makes no sense.

I think it's just like that because that's just how it has been traditionally done in America. Their toilets are also a different shape - much wider, lower and shallower. And urinals always have flush handles.

Re:Toilets of the World by zdragnar on Tuesday July 23, 2019 @09:42PM (#20511748)
> And urinals always have flush handles.

I haven't actually seen many newer urinals with flush handles. Pretty much anywhere with a recent install is sensor based. There's plenty of old equipment around, of course.

Toilets are more hit or miss, though I'd hazard a guess that the majority of new installs are also all motion / sensor based. I can't speak to the bowl differences, though I'd suspect they're due to water efficiency, disabilities compliance and / or our heftier girth.

Re:Toilets of the World by sampo on Wednesday July 24, 2019 @02:48AM (#20512870)
> I've never visited the US, so I'm curious about what you mean.

Google image search gives good examples:

https://www.google.com/search?q=us+toilet+stall+gaps&tbm=isc...

Re:Toilets of the World by codeulike on Tuesday July 23, 2019 @06:36PM (#20510859)
I've never visited the US, so I'm curious about what you mean.

The vertical gap between the floor and where the cubicle wall starts is huge. Like, knee height. So weird.

Re:Toilets of the World by hvs on Tuesday July 23, 2019 @06:41PM (#20510889)
Knee height? I live in the US and have never seen this. I would say closer to ankle height.
Re:Toilets of the World by montypythonxxx on Tuesday July 23, 2019 @06:45PM (#20510914)
i think the train station in Newark, NJ has them. Something about people ODing on the floor and no one finding out.
Re:Toilets of the World by perfectstorm on Tuesday July 23, 2019 @07:14PM (#20511061)
I wonder why ODing is not a problem in rest of the world. If I were to guess it's to save money and not becuase they were concerned about some random dude ODing.
Re:Toilets of the World by asark on Tuesday July 23, 2019 @10:19PM (#20511921)
Not sure about the super-high gap ones, but I'd bet the normal-gap (mid shin, maybe?) ones make cleaning a lot easier. A semi-permanent pre-fab wall especially is probably gonna have a lot of gross little nooks & crannies at floor level. Also means you don't need to match the walls to the room height, which probably makes them a lot cheaper.

I mean, imagine mopping one of those rooms. Bet you'd immediately be glad the partitions didn't reach the floor.

Re:Toilets of the World by cvuls on Wednesday July 24, 2019 @02:06AM (#20512712)
either way, you need to scrub the floors, unfortunately!

source: i am a cleaner.

Re:Toilets of the World by joegahona on Tuesday July 23, 2019 @09:28PM (#20511666)
If those knees belong to Peter Dinklage, maybe.
Re:Toilets of the World by KineticLensman on Wednesday July 24, 2019 @03:49AM (#20513101)
It's a special case, but the Shard skyscraper [0] in London has male toilets on its 75th floor (approx) where the urinals are pedestals mounted in front of a clear glass wall looking over the city below. It's an awesome view!

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shard

Re:Toilets of the World by MrBuddyCasino on Wednesday July 24, 2019 @06:02AM (#20513664)
Acrophobians are gonna love it.
Re:Toilets of the World by kiliantics on Tuesday July 23, 2019 @09:32PM (#20511690)
What I found strange was how much water was in the bowl of US toilets. It's nearly impossible not to experience a splash, the level is so high. I've even been in toilets here where I had to take measures not to have my genitals end up dipping in it.

My favourite experiences have been in Germany and China, where typically most of the bowl is comprised of a dry "receptacle" which is then flushed with water into a smaller pipe opening.

Re:Toilets of the World by joegahona on Tuesday July 23, 2019 @10:13PM (#20511895)
If you put a small square of toilet paper into the water first, that can combat the splash. I have no idea of the science behind it, but it works.

Can’t help you with your dangling-genitals problem, however.

Re:Toilets of the World by wruza on Wednesday July 24, 2019 @04:51AM (#20513348)
All toilets I met also have a front side of bowl too sloped/close to you know what. I have to constantly use one of my hands to prevent a collision, which can be pretty terrifying depending on where you are. This problem must be widespread, since I’m not really that guy.

These folks nailed it: https://toilet-guru.com/biblical_new.php

Re:Toilets of the World by userbinator on Tuesday July 23, 2019 @11:26PM (#20512182)
The water makes it less likely for waste to stick to the dry surface and accumulate, and also reduces odour. Splashing is more of an unfortunate side-effect of that design choice.

I've even been in toilets here where I had to take measures not to have my genitals end up dipping in it.

That's a bit too high, however.

Re:Toilets of the World by kabes on Wednesday July 24, 2019 @02:07AM (#20512716)
But you have less chance of skid marks with the American type, hence they don't need a brush next to the toilet. If you'd ever find yourself brushing at the house of a date you've been invited to, you'll quickly prefer the American ones.
Re:Toilets of the World by wruza on Wednesday July 24, 2019 @04:59AM (#20513389)
We here flush a little, put two cuts of paper so it gets wet, and then all your production slides down leaving no mark. Your date is safe now.
Re:Toilets of the World by Isamu on Tuesday July 23, 2019 @07:28PM (#20511120)
The open space at the floor is about ease of mopping. In many places all the bathroom stalls are effectively hung from the ceiling, so there is a continuous tiled floor with a single drain. This is to make it faster to mop up.

It's probably because we don't want to employ more than one janitor to mop up.

Re:Toilets of the World by tuna-piano on Tuesday July 23, 2019 @07:33PM (#20511145)
That doesn't answer the question about the vertical gap between the doors (more invasive in my opinion). I've seen totally normal white collar office buildings with large gaps which the workers have covered with toilet paper, fabric, cardboard, etc. The makeshift seal was there for months (still there when I left the company).

Why is this a solution that needs jerry-rigged solutions instead of a normal solution like everywhere else in an office building?

Re:Toilets of the World by thelittleone on Tuesday July 23, 2019 @08:22PM (#20511367)
Is it just me or are these gaps getting larger? I travel to the US a couple of times a year for 15 years and it seems that way to me.

It's disturbing that the probability is quite high that whilst searching for a vacant cubicle, your eyes may well lock with the single enlarged eye of a terrified pooper. This is not a bond I want to make.

Re:Toilets of the World by roel_v on Wednesday July 24, 2019 @05:04AM (#20513408)
"This is not a bond I want to make."

Once made, it's unbreakable though.

Re:Toilets of the World by hanniabu on Tuesday July 23, 2019 @08:05PM (#20511291)
Yeah I never understood it either, it's very simple to have the components overlap. You don't need to worry about additional parts or tolerances or anything like that. Everything stays the same but the arrangement changes.
Re:Toilets of the World by erikpukinskis on Tuesday July 23, 2019 @09:17PM (#20511616)
Panel gaps are just a feature of installation and manufacturing irregularities. You’re often drilling into concrete and people just don’t know what they’re doing. Better too loose (big gap) than too tight (door doesn’t close, need to re-drill the holes) is the thinking.

You can install the doors properly with no gap, but it requires everything be square and plumb and all that. And then not get damaged.

Re:Toilets of the World by Macha on Tuesday July 23, 2019 @10:02PM (#20511837)
Why is this gap standard in America and basically absent in europe? It's not like these concerns are US-exclusive.
Re:Toilets of the World by erikpukinskis on Thursday July 25, 2019 @12:00PM (#20526487)
Europe tends to like good standards.

Americans tend to question them and then do whatever they want to do.

Europe also tends to cultivate a village mentality where people trust each other to follow decorum.

America tends to operate as if vaguely hostile strangers are rolling through town all the time.

Re:Toilets of the World by joegahona on Tuesday July 23, 2019 @09:33PM (#20511697)
The gap is there so you can look in and see if anyone's in there before walking in and sitting on the pooper's lap.
Re:Toilets of the World by bennylope on Tuesday July 23, 2019 @09:47PM (#20511769)
Someone should invent a mechanism that "locks" the door in place from the inside so that this can't happen.
Re:Toilets of the World by viraptor on Tuesday July 23, 2019 @10:36PM (#20511988)
What if... This is crazy, but what if the lock also exposed different colour so a locked one is red, but an unlocked one is green? ;)
Re:Toilets of the World by seattle_spring on Tuesday July 23, 2019 @10:00PM (#20511830)
What a preposterous and illogical suggestion.
Re:Toilets of the World by Macha on Tuesday July 23, 2019 @10:07PM (#20511864)
You can have that with more privacy than the average US toilet.

This still has the same cleaning advantage: http://www.ironwood-mfg.com/Pictures/Full%20Size/European1.j...

But I see this way more often in the US: https://globalpartitions.com/wp-content/uploads/ASI-SolidPla...

Re:Toilets of the World by bloak on Wednesday July 24, 2019 @07:47AM (#20514185)
The huge gap under the door looks like it might be to discourage people from having sex in the cubicles. However, I'm not sure why that would be more of a worry in the USA than elsewhere.
Re:Toilets of the World by kevin_thibedeau on Tuesday July 23, 2019 @09:41PM (#20511741)
Where I work you can easily tell the occupied stalls from the presence of people's feet at the bottom. Except for the ADA stall. You have to glance at it through the mirror as you enter the bathroom to get the right angle to determine if occupied. All full? Turn around and try another floor.
Re:Toilets of the World by meddlepal on Tuesday July 23, 2019 @06:40PM (#20510877)
That's really a function of cost and building owners being cheap. I have seen very nice stalls in the US, but I'm sure it was more expensive and everyones just kinda used to the status quo so nobody pushes back against it.
Re:Toilets of the World by Symbiote on Tuesday July 23, 2019 @06:58PM (#20510984)
No.

I have been in poorer bits of Europe, sub-Saharan Africa, South America, Pacific islands.

The USA is (so far) the only place¹ where there were gaps between the door and the "wall" of the toilet cubicle partitions. This is surely more expensive -- it requires special hinges to provide the gap. In other countries, "cheap" might mean a 2mm gap. In the USA, it's an intentional 2cm gap.

There is some other reason. I'm not American. I genuinely don't know if I should admire it (lack of shame of bodily functions), or criticize it (afford less privacy to those who use public toilets).

¹ [There are places where there are no stalls at all.]

https://travel.stackexchange.com/questions/26620/why-do-publ...

Re:Toilets of the World by evilduck on Tuesday July 23, 2019 @09:26PM (#20511656)
Maybe its a pinch hazard for kids and they want to avoid a lawsuit.
Re:Toilets of the World by cmurf on Tuesday July 23, 2019 @07:53PM (#20511236)
I think it's to shame people into not using public toilets, as a disincentive, and at best to get people to leave as soon as possible. There are health consequences to pushing.
Re:Toilets of the World by dboreham on Tuesday July 23, 2019 @06:45PM (#20510917)
Yeah the toilets in a Nordstrom are pretty much stock UK grade no gaps for pervs to look around the door..

Another difference not mentioned above is double-doors. Toilets in public/institutional buildings in the UK (and probably elsewhere) have an air-lock type arrangement with two doors (inner and outer) with the result that nobody can see into the inner sanctum when people enter and leave. US toilets have just one door.

https://www.quora.com/Why-do-some-public-restrooms-have-one-...

Re:Toilets of the World by virtualwhys on Tuesday July 23, 2019 @06:55PM (#20510970)
> I'm always struck by how little privacy is afforded by the dividing walls in toilets in the USA.

If you're ever in the Boston area, try checking out a Red Sox game; the urinary dividing "walls" are legendary.

Re:Toilets of the World by majormajor on Tuesday July 23, 2019 @07:10PM (#20511041)
Can you elaborate? Urinals or troughs without any sort of divider at all aren't uncommon (especially at sports venues) so I'm having trouble picturing what could be even less...
Re:Toilets of the World by moron4hire on Tuesday July 23, 2019 @08:08PM (#20511304)
I don't understand how much more privacy your looking for. It's not like people can look in on you. Are you worried someone is going to hear you poop and find out that you're a person who poops?
Re:Toilets of the World by H8crilA on Wednesday July 24, 2019 @04:52AM (#20513352)
I'm tall, and I can literally make eye contact with the guy in the next stall if we both stand up. Not my idea of a good place for small talk, or even a head nod. I usually just bend my back. It's quite ridiculous. Then there are the gaps around the door, like why.
Re:Toilets of the World by kevin_thibedeau on Tuesday July 23, 2019 @09:45PM (#20511763)
The Japanese have a solution for this dire problem:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ond_IaNA4wk

Re:Toilets of the World by eeZah7Ux on Wednesday July 24, 2019 @09:15AM (#20514898)
In most countries in the world having to hear, smell and be heard is considered disgusting and embarrassing.

Even more so if you know the people around you.

In many places stalls are not used and toilets are fit in one small, dedicated room each.