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Re:Microsoft is investing $1B in OpenAI by pron on Monday July 22, 2019 @12:38PM (#20499709)
> Yes, we do. Lots of data, lots of training, better algorithms, more understanding of the brain..

So to build AI all that remains is to understand how it could work.

> but it's pretty clear what we need to do

It isn't (unless by "clear" you mean as clear as in your statement above). I've been following some of the more theoretical papers in the field, and we're barely even at the theory forming stage.

> but it's pretty clear we'll get there.

First of all, I don't doubt we'll get there eventually. Second, I'm not sure simulating a human entirely falls under the category of "artificial". After all, to be useful such a mechanism would need to outperform humans in some way, and we don't even know whether that's possible even in principle using the same mechanism as the brain's.

Re:Microsoft is investing $1B in OpenAI by breck on Monday July 22, 2019 @12:41PM (#20499731)
> I've been following some of the more theoretical papers in the field, and we're barely even at the theory forming stage.

I read those papers too. And I write code and train models day in and day out. I could get very specific on what needs to be done, but that's what we do at our job. If you're curious, I'd say join the field.

I agree with you in that I don't think for a second anyone can make an accurate prediction of when we will AGI, but I have no doubt that it will be relatively soon, and that OpenAI will likely be one of the leaders, if not the leaders in creating it.

Re:Microsoft is investing $1B in OpenAI by p1esk on Monday July 22, 2019 @05:29PM (#20502497)
I’ve been doing research in DL field for the last 6 years (just presented my last paper at IJCNN last week), and I can say with confidence we have no clue how to get to AGI. We don’t even know how DL works on the fundamental level. More importantly, we don’t know how the brain works. So I agree with pron that your “relatively soon” is just as likely to be 10 as 100 years from now.
Re:Microsoft is investing $1B in OpenAI by breck on Monday July 22, 2019 @06:16PM (#20502812)
I could explain it to you in an afternoon. But I’m not going to do it online, because then you have a thousand people call you “delusional”, because you simply are stating that exponential processes are going to continue. For some reason, many people who think themselves rational and scientific believe that things that have been going exponentially are suddenly going to go linear. To me, that is delusional.
Re:Microsoft is investing $1B in OpenAI by piano on Tuesday July 23, 2019 @09:46AM (#20506660)
> because you simply are stating that exponential processes are going to continue.

Exponential process continuing doesn't imply "we're going to get there soon" in any way, shape or form. The desired goal can still be arbitrarily far.

Re:Microsoft is investing $1B in OpenAI by p1esk on Monday July 22, 2019 @06:38PM (#20502941)
Explain what?
Re:Microsoft is investing $1B in OpenAI by breck on Monday July 22, 2019 @07:48PM (#20503315)
How to get to AGI.
Re:Microsoft is investing $1B in OpenAI by p1esk on Monday July 22, 2019 @08:53PM (#20503588)
If you know how to get there why don’t you build it?
Re:Microsoft is investing $1B in OpenAI by breck on Monday July 22, 2019 @09:16PM (#20503700)
1) Indeed we are doing a few of the things on the checklist to build AGI.

2) Our focus is on helping improve medical and clinical science and cancer tooling first.

3) If we needed AGI to cure cancer, perhaps we'd be working directly on AGI. If anyone thinks this is the case, please let me know, as at the moment I don't think it is.

Re:Microsoft is investing $1B in OpenAI by p1esk on Monday July 22, 2019 @11:20PM (#20504156)
You don’t think AGI would dramatically speed up cancer research (or any other research)?
Re:Microsoft is investing $1B in OpenAI by breck on Tuesday July 23, 2019 @12:02AM (#20504306)
Of course I do, but my back of the envelope guess is there's a 30% shot we can cure cancer in 15 years without AGI, and a 1% shot we can reach AGI in 15 years. I think AGI is cool but I'm much more concerned about helping people with cancer.