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Re:Microsoft is investing $1B in OpenAI by codelemur on Monday July 22, 2019 @09:44AM (#20497887)
[EDIT]: friendly -> non-friendly oops.

That's what seems so confusing about HN replies here. (Non-friendly) AGI is an extreme existential risk (depending on who you listen to).

I'm perfectly fine with rewarding the org that's responsible for researching friendly AGI to do it _right_ (extremely contingent on that last bit).

Re:Microsoft is investing $1B in OpenAI by arethuza on Monday July 22, 2019 @09:51AM (#20497936)
Well, I don't think I'd view any AGI that is an existential risk as "friendly".
Re:Microsoft is investing $1B in OpenAI by gnode on Monday July 22, 2019 @12:45PM (#20499762)
What if friendliness is not a property of the technology, but of the use? With all the potential concerns of AGI, I think nuclear technology is a good analogue. It has great potential for peaceful use, but proliferation of nuclear weapons is a so-far inseparable problem of the technology. It's also relatively easy to use nuclear technology unsafely compared to safely.

The precedent for general intelligence is not good. The only example we know of (ourselves) is a known existential threat.

Re:Microsoft is investing $1B in OpenAI by modzu on Monday July 22, 2019 @09:49AM (#20497923)
the thing is, nobody knows how to do that. it's not a money problem.
Re:Microsoft is investing $1B in OpenAI by arethuza on Monday July 22, 2019 @09:52AM (#20497953)
OpenAI is a research company - that's what research is, working out how to do things we don't know how to do. Research requires some money so at one level it is a money problem.
Re:Microsoft is investing $1B in OpenAI by modzu on Monday July 22, 2019 @10:13AM (#20498111)
but this is alchemy isn't it? there isn't even a theoretical framework from which we can even begin to suggest how to keep any "general intelligence" benign. good old fashioned research notwithstanding, a billion dollars is not about to change this. it reads to more to me like this is an investment in azure (ie microsoft picking up some machine learning expertise to leverage in its future cloud services). that's not a judgement, and i'm sure lots of cool work will still come from this, given the strength of the team and massive backing they have. it just smells funny.
Re:Microsoft is investing $1B in OpenAI by logicchains on Monday July 22, 2019 @11:51AM (#20499149)
Alchemy wasn't entirely wrong; it is indeed possible to turn lead into gold, it was just beyond the technology of the time: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/fact-or-fiction-l....
Re:Microsoft is investing $1B in OpenAI by arethuza on Monday July 22, 2019 @10:20AM (#20498182)
Well, unlike alchemy there are some pretty good examples of intelligent agents around - some even involved in this project!
Re:Microsoft is investing $1B in OpenAI by codelemur on Monday July 22, 2019 @09:56AM (#20497994)
(no sarcasm)

You know, I can't prove that researchers being funded is the best way of figuring out how to do things, but I have a gut intuition that tells me that.

I'll look into it so that I'm not just blindly suggesting that $$ ==> people ==> research ==> progress.

Thanks for the opportunity to reflect!

Re:Microsoft is investing $1B in OpenAI by modzu on Monday July 22, 2019 @10:21AM (#20498188)
it really is an interesting subject to explore within the philosophy of science :)
Re:Microsoft is investing $1B in OpenAI by est31 on Monday July 22, 2019 @09:56AM (#20497995)
You need to be able to test your designs and for that you need resources like AI accelerators.