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Re:Oregon passed sweeping housing crisis laws by BeetleB on Saturday July 20, 2019 @12:11PM (#20486568)
>If a month of foregone rent was such a huge burden to landlords then it wouldn't be so common for them to keep their properties vacant.

Landlords estimate a vacancy rate and keep that amount in reserves. However, they all earn more money if it's not vacant. It's almost never the case that they can make more money by keeping the rent high and units vacant.

Also, is they are using a property management company (which surprisingly many do), then turnovers are likely more expensive for the landlord than the tenant's cost to move - they usually charge 50% of one month's rent to find a new tenant for you.

If they're too optimistic in that vacancy rate, they will lose money.

For anyone thinking landlords have all the power, hang out on real estate forums. After all expenses (including vacancy), most RE investors target $100-200/month per unit. Now often, over several years, if rents shoot up in the city, they'll make good money from the increased rent. But they don't rely on that - their usual hope is the property's value will go up so they can sell it one day. The landlords who make huge piles of money are outliers. The vast majority of landlords do not make anything close to a SV SW developer and are not aiming to (of course, though, whatever they do make is almost "free", which makes the difference to them).

The top skill for a landlord is to estimate costs. At $100-200/unit, if they underestimate a lot, they are out of business. Surprisingly, most do not carry vandalism insurance. So if a disgruntled tenant trashes a place, they could easily lose the property. If they do not reserve money for evictions, they could easily lose the property.

Re:Oregon passed sweeping housing crisis laws by Retric on Saturday July 20, 2019 @12:30PM (#20486705)
This greatly depends on the number of units. If you’re managing 1,000 units renting them all is a sign you have left money on the table. The safest approach to maximize profit is to increase prices as your vacancy rates drop. The ideal situation is to effectively always have 1 vacancy of each size not 0.
Re:Oregon passed sweeping housing crisis laws by BeetleB on Saturday July 20, 2019 @12:31PM (#20486710)
>If you’re managing 1,000 units renting them all is a sign you have left money on the table.

That is the very definition of an outlier. Most landlords (easily over 90%) don't even have a 100 units. In fact, most landlords have a target number of units they need to "retire", and that number is usually less than 100.

Re:Oregon passed sweeping housing crisis laws by Retric on Saturday July 20, 2019 @12:40PM (#20486789)
From the market’s perspective it’s the ratio of units managed by each type that matters.

Hypothetically, if 1 company managed 1,000 units and 1,000 people managed 1 unit then that outlier owns 50% of the market while representing 0.1% of the land lords.

Re:Oregon passed sweeping housing crisis laws by BeetleB on Saturday July 20, 2019 @02:34PM (#20487492)
It would be interesting to see this breakdown in numbers. I would suspect there's some kind of power law at work, although probably not as extreme as the example you gave.

Also, keep in mind that on the flip side, landlords likely view tenants the same way - looking at aggregates and not individuals: "Yes, lots of people can't afford the rent, but as long as I can get enough to make a profit, who cares about the rest?"

Re:Oregon passed sweeping housing crisis laws by vl on Saturday July 20, 2019 @05:13PM (#20488412)
Managing 1000 units is way beyond full-time job, for this you need staff, which is additional expense.
Re:Oregon passed sweeping housing crisis laws by pmoriarty on Saturday July 20, 2019 @12:20PM (#20486619)
"It's almost never the case that they can make more money by keeping the rent high and units vacant."

Unless they can hold out until property values rise and they can sell for a profit.

Re:Oregon passed sweeping housing crisis laws by BeetleB on Saturday July 20, 2019 @12:38PM (#20486770)
>Unless they can hold out until property values rise and they can sell for a profit.

Sure, if they've got piles of cash sitting around to pay for the loan, insurance and real estate taxes.

Here's another tidbit people don't understand. If the property has more than 4 units, the value of the property is determined almost entirely by the revenue it generates.[1][2] The bank who will provide the loan to the buyer will look at those numbers, and the buyer will look at those numbers. In particular, what people will not look at are the comps (the value of nearby properties). So a "Let's lose money until the property values go up" strategy won't work there.

[1] https://theresabradleybanta.com/value-a-multi-unit-property/ [2] https://www.biggerpockets.com/blog/2016-07-06-multifamily-re...

Re:Oregon passed sweeping housing crisis laws by clairity on Saturday July 20, 2019 @05:26PM (#20488477)
> "Here's another tidbit people don't understand. If the property has more than 4 units, the value of the property is determined almost entirely by the revenue it generates."

actually, that's pretty straightforwardly "income-based valuation", and it's logical because having more than 4 units means the property is primarily a business and not primarily a residence. businesses are valued by the income (i.e., profits) they generate. the sales comparison method (employing "comps") is primarily used with residences because the more accurate income-based valuation isn't available to residences, as non-income-generating assets. (the third valuation method is cost approach, which is used as a primary method of valuation in markets with low turnover/few comps, and in many tax assessment jurisdictions).