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Re:Wired's Response to Glenn Greenwald (re:Lamo-Manning Chat... by tptacek on Wednesday December 29, 2010 @12:01AM (#2047963)
"A few accusations it didn't like", including:

* That Kevin Poulsen was untrustworthy because he'd been caught hacking in 1990.

* That Wired had helped orchestrate Manning's arrest (Lamo turned Manning in; Lamo doesn't work for Wired).

* That Wired is being unprofessional by not releasing complete private chat transcripts, while other news outlets are being unprofessional for releasing too much private information about Wikileaks supporters.

* That Wired had refused to respond to Greenwald's request when that request was in fact issued with a 24 hour deadline on Christmas day.

* That Wired had concealed material details of the supposed Manning leaks when in fact the details they were alleged to have concealed were in fact referenced directly in the the chat logs they released.

* That Wired is responsible for Manning/Lamo/Assange stories they themselves didn't report on.

* That Poulsen is Lamo's "personal media voice" despite the fact that Lamo received significantly more coverage outside SecurityFocus (Poulsen didn't meet Lamo while working at Wired) than in it.

* That Mark Rasch prosecuted Poulsen for computer hacking when in fact he left federal government service in 1991, before Poulsen was tried (by two unrelated state prosecutors).

* That all the time Greenwald accused Wired of bias, he was using Jacob Applebaum (Wikileaks' US spokesperson) as a primary source without disclosing the affiliation, was privately trying to hire an attorney for Manning, and was carrying on daily off-the-record conversations with Assange.

Yeah, I can see how Wired might "get up in arms" about this.

Re:Wired's Response to Glenn Greenwald (re:Lamo-Manning Chat... by intended on Wednesday December 29, 2010 @12:50AM (#2048067)
Greenwald has been talking about this since Manning got arrested, this is not the first article he has written about Wired.

One of the issues Greenwald brings up is that the logs are the only evidence to understand what happened in the Manning case.

Greenwald that Lamo makes statements to the press, regarding his interactions with Manning. He points out that some statements made have even contradicted themselves.

The only evidence are the chat logs themselves, which are not available.

Re:Wired's Response to Glenn Greenwald (re:Lamo-Manning Chat... by tptacek on Wednesday December 29, 2010 @12:53AM (#2048071)
I think we can all see how much more straightforward Greenwald's job would be if he had all the chat transcripts, but their release is Wired's prerogative, not his.
Re:Wired's Response to Glenn Greenwald (re:Lamo-Manning Chat... by OpieCunningham on Wednesday December 29, 2010 @12:25AM (#2048014)
That Wired is being unprofessional by not releasing complete private chat transcripts, while other news outlets are being unprofessional for releasing too much private information about Wikileaks supporters.

I know that's essentially paraphrased from Wireds response, like everything else you called out - but is that actually what Greenwald has done? What I've seen is two fold:

1- Greenwald calling out news organizations for presenting Assanges displeasure at his own privacy breaches as hypocrisy when it actually isn't hypocrisy for a democratic govt to have limited privacy and an individual to have maximum privacy.

2- Assange calling out the Swedish govt for leaking information about the case when the govts own laws dictate that the information remain private.

So although Wired eloquently said one thing, and you helpfully repeated it, is it even true? I haven't seen it, perhaps you could provide a link to Greenwald where he said it. And maybe there are a few more items on your cheerleading list that would be better served with some citations.

Re:Wired's Response to Glenn Greenwald (re:Lamo-Manning Chat... by tptacek on Wednesday December 29, 2010 @12:32AM (#2048030)
It's not "my" cheerleading list; it's distilled contents of the two official responses. If you disagree with them, you disagree with the article.

I believe Poulsen more than I believe Greenwald, but that's neither here nor there. Unless you think I've misrepresented the article, leave me out of it.

Re:Wired's Response to Glenn Greenwald (re:Lamo-Manning Chat... by OpieCunningham on Wednesday December 29, 2010 @12:48AM (#2048060)
Wasn't clear to me in what you wrote that you were attempting to objectively summarize the article.

You missed at least one other, that part where Poulsen "refuted" Greenwalds accusation that Poulsen notified the NYTimes re: Lamos breach and then wrote an article about it by correcting Greenwald in that Poulsen actually notified the NYTimes about Lamos breach and then wrote an article about it ... with a quote from the NYTimes.

Thanks for your summary, though.

Re:Wired's Response to Glenn Greenwald (re:Lamo-Manning Chat... by tptacek on Wednesday December 29, 2010 @12:52AM (#2048069)
I also left out that Mark Rasch wasn't actually a bona fide Wired contributor, and I'm sure a bunch of other stuff. I was responding to 'grandalf's insinuation that Wired was having a nitpicked temper tantrum, when in fact they were condemned publicly in Salon for serious journalistic ethics lapses.