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Re:America’s urban rebirth is missing actual births by asveikau on Thursday July 18, 2019 @11:39PM (#20475997)
> driving downtown

This is your problem. In a city you don't need to put yourself and your family in a deadly metallic stress machine to get places. And as a result you will feel happier and more connected.

Even in a city I am sometimes very shocked at what we put ourselves through to use a car. People constantly honking and flicking each other off with various insults and me on the sidewalk wishing they'd all calm down. (And when I used to drive too much, I was angry like them, and weighed substantially more.)

Re:America’s urban rebirth is missing actual births by ssharp on Friday July 19, 2019 @07:36AM (#20477734)
You know it's okay that other people don't want the same thing as you, right?

It's difficult to go anywhere without putting yourself in a "deadly metallic stress machine", whether it be a car, plane, train, boat, etc. I suppose if you have that much fear of transportation, living somewhere with ample options within walking distance is best.

Re:America’s urban rebirth is missing actual births by asveikau on Friday July 19, 2019 @10:10AM (#20478770)
So other than call me afraid or claim I want to monopolize opinions in the universe, have you addressed the point that a good train system is much less deadly and much less stressful than single occupant vehicles?
Re:America’s urban rebirth is missing actual births by ssharp on Friday July 19, 2019 @01:43PM (#20480830)
Trains are objectively less deadly than cars. I wouldn't dispute that. However, I have zero fear of being in a car. You can reduce the risk of being in a car substantially by either driving the car, or having someone drive the car, who isn't impaired, isn't distracted, and is driving defensively.

Stressfulness is much more subjective. To me, city train systems are higher stress for me than the majority of the driving I do. Granted, I rarely drive in heavy traffic, which is more stressful. Since I don't encounter that while driving, I find subways more stressful since 1) I have to plan around their schedule 2) their schedules are always subject to delays 3) I have to be around strangers in close quarters and 4) you expose yourself to a higher risk of being victim to a crime

However, I have no problems riding the NYC Subway, Chicago's L, etc. when I visiting there.

There are also other ways to avoid miles besides living in a city. For example, I have a remote job, so I don't have a daily commute.

Re:America’s urban rebirth is missing actual births by raiflip on Friday July 19, 2019 @11:58AM (#20479698)
It's always weird how people in the suburbs complain everywhere about how crappy cities are and yet if you turn around and say you like them they get all defensive...
Re:America’s urban rebirth is missing actual births by ssharp on Friday July 19, 2019 @01:30PM (#20480701)
If you want to live in the cities, it's fine. If you want to live in the suburbs, it's fine. If you want to live in the country, it's fine.

Different people have different needs, enjoy different things, and enjoy living different ways.

Re:America’s urban rebirth is missing actual births by asveikau on Friday July 19, 2019 @02:02PM (#20481003)
OK, but road fatalities per capita and per automobile are higher in the US than in Europe. As is obesity. I believe that our obsession with motor vehicles even for small tasks plays a role in this.
Re:America’s urban rebirth is missing actual births by raiflip on Friday July 19, 2019 @02:47PM (#20481408)
+1
Re:America’s urban rebirth is missing actual births by pbourke on Friday July 19, 2019 @12:14AM (#20476114)
> deadly metallic stress machine

A packed 4-5-6 line on a sweltering summer late afternoon can be a bit of a metallic stress machine. Not deadly, at least.

Re:America’s urban rebirth is missing actual births by selectodude on Friday July 19, 2019 @12:45AM (#20476243)
I think that’s a particular New York City issue.
Re:America’s urban rebirth is missing actual births by taysic on Friday July 19, 2019 @07:44AM (#20477788)
I think it applies well to a number of affluent urban areas in the US.
Re:America’s urban rebirth is missing actual births by dsfyu404ed on Friday July 19, 2019 @08:31AM (#20478043)
His comment generalizes to other forms of transit. The point isn't that he/she's driving downtown, it's that it's not convenient enough to go on a whim but that's not a problem for his/her use pattern. The fact that he/she chose to use a car is immaterial to the point being made.

I don't want to use the word virtue signaling because it's become a politically loaded term and I don't want to use it that way but your comment is just virtue signaling to the anti-car crowd.

Re:America’s urban rebirth is missing actual births by asveikau on Friday July 19, 2019 @09:45AM (#20478572)
Fine sir or madam, I don't care what you think of my virtue or lack thereof. But the health affects are real. Example: I was obese. I largely quit driving, or drastically reduced it. I am no longer obese or overweight; my BMI is 21, down from 33. If you want to live worse because you decided that is "virtue signalling", go ahead and ignore the suggestion. But the benefit will exist whether you believe in it or not.
Re:America’s urban rebirth is missing actual births by Fomite on Friday July 19, 2019 @02:29AM (#20476587)
When I lived in a city I drove so little I frequently forgot where I parked my car.