Despite High Hopes, Self-Driving Cars Are ‘Way in the Future’

Re:Despite High Hopes, Self-Driving Cars Are ‘Way in the Fut... by mhermher on Wednesday July 17, 2019 @10:24AM (#20459799)

Will a computer ever write War and Peace or compose the 9th Symphony too? How about solve an unsolved math proof? No reason it can't be automated, right?

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Re:Despite High Hopes, Self-Driving Cars Are ‘Way in the Fut... by nharada on Wednesday July 17, 2019 @12:47PM (#20461440)

> solve an unsolved math proof

Yes actually, although there are some philosophical objections to computer assisted proofs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_color_theorem#Proof_by_co...

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Re:Despite High Hopes, Self-Driving Cars Are ‘Way in the Fut... by mhermher on Wednesday July 17, 2019 @03:13PM (#20462992)

That's just grunt work that still had to be stitched together by a human.

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Re:Despite High Hopes, Self-Driving Cars Are ‘Way in the Fut... by ben_w on Thursday July 18, 2019 @02:19AM (#20467243)

But it was previously unsolved, which is your exact objection to the other example I gave.

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Re:Despite High Hopes, Self-Driving Cars Are ‘Way in the Fut... by ben_w on Wednesday July 17, 2019 @01:36PM (#20462000)

Amongst the other 22 million results Google gave me for “ai beethoven” was this about one of their doodles: https://interestingengineering.com/the-first-ai-powered-goog...

While “ai mathematical proof” gave me “Google AI system proves over 1200 mathematical theorems”: https://mathscholar.org/2019/04/google-ai-system-proves-over...

So… yes, that’s fine?

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Re:Despite High Hopes, Self-Driving Cars Are ‘Way in the Fut... by mhermher on Wednesday July 17, 2019 @03:16PM (#20463024)

None of those 1200 were previously unsolved, btw, as I mentioned above.

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Re:Despite High Hopes, Self-Driving Cars Are ‘Way in the Fut... by leesec on Wednesday July 17, 2019 @10:39AM (#20459931)

All these things are literally on the AI horizon.

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Re:Despite High Hopes, Self-Driving Cars Are ‘Way in the Fut... by compiler-guy on Wednesday July 17, 2019 @12:11PM (#20461029)

People were saying this in the seventies before the long AI winter.

It's always just around the corner, and has been since the dawn of AI. Maybe we will get there some day (I never say never), but cautious realism has never been the AI field's strong suit.

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Re:Despite High Hopes, Self-Driving Cars Are ‘Way in the Fut... by gooseus on Wednesday July 17, 2019 @11:49AM (#20460756)

Indeed, it's that lake we can see and certainly reach if only we can make it just a little farther into the AI desert.

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Re:Despite High Hopes, Self-Driving Cars Are ‘Way in the Fut... by JorgeGT on Wednesday July 17, 2019 @01:17PM (#20461797)

Old Soviet joke:

Radio Yerevan was asked: We are told that communism is already seen at the horizon. Then, what is a horizon?

Answer: A horizon is an imaginary line which moves away each time you approach it.

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Re:Despite High Hopes, Self-Driving Cars Are ‘Way in the Fut... by snowwrestler on Wednesday July 17, 2019 @12:38PM (#20461345)

There's an emotional component to art, and I don't see nearly as much work on artificial emotions as I do on task-oriented artificial intelligence.

A lot of people are working to create a car smart enough to drive humans anywhere. How many people are working to create a car smart enough to refuse to drive because it's feeling inspired to write music instead?

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Re:Despite High Hopes, Self-Driving Cars Are ‘Way in the Fut... by ajuc on Wednesday July 17, 2019 @01:09PM (#20461678)

Faking emotions is much easier than faking rational thought. People interpret any behavior as emotion-based, even with obviously non-sentient objects.

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Re:Despite High Hopes, Self-Driving Cars Are ‘Way in the Fut... by Qwertystop on Wednesday July 17, 2019 @11:52AM (#20460792)

No matter how fast you run for the horizon, it stays well out of reach.

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Re:Despite High Hopes, Self-Driving Cars Are ‘Way in the Fut... by magic_beans on Wednesday July 17, 2019 @12:28PM (#20461234)

And how long exactly is that horizon?

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Re:Despite High Hopes, Self-Driving Cars Are ‘Way in the Fut... by ionised on Wednesday July 17, 2019 @12:00PM (#20460884)

I'd say these things are also 'way in the future'.

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