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Re:Tesla drops cheapest Model X, S variants, cuts prices to ... by navigatesol on Tuesday July 16, 2019 @09:07AM (#20449630)
Since when is 0-60 the go-to stat for performance?

It's once metric of many in how a car performs. And yes, there is plenty of performance competition at those prices. The 100D runs a 10.5 quarter mile, which is really good, but not world beating. Factor in any of the competitors pricing their cars below production cost and the landscape looks much different.

Re:Tesla drops cheapest Model X, S variants, cuts prices to ... by mywittyname on Tuesday July 16, 2019 @09:32AM (#20449835)
A 10.5 is an INSANE quarter mile time. That's like track prepped sport bike speeds.

I go to the strip several times a year and I'm pretty sure running a sub-11 quarter mile would scare me. This is coming from someone who drives a reasonably quick car (12.7ish).

I do agree that 0-60 is a silly performance benchmark, since it measures traction more than power in modern cars. But performance Telsas are fast by any measure.

Re:Tesla drops cheapest Model X, S variants, cuts prices to ... by tvon on Tuesday July 16, 2019 @09:43AM (#20449923)
The M5 does a 10.5 1/4 mile, it is a very impressive time for a production vehicle but it's not insane. A lot of production sports bikes are into the 9s.

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fastest_production_car...

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fastest_production_mot...

edit: Actually 10.5 is pretty insane for a production vehicle but we live in a time with a lot of insanely fast and overpowered cars.

Re:Tesla drops cheapest Model X, S variants, cuts prices to ... by lazyjones on Tuesday July 16, 2019 @10:14AM (#20450197)
> The M5 does a 10.5 1/4 mile

Source? On your wikipedia page it says 10.9 ... Also, it's currently more expensive than a Model S Performance.

Re:Tesla drops cheapest Model X, S variants, cuts prices to ... by tvon on Tuesday July 16, 2019 @10:32AM (#20450397)
Source was just a google of M5, but you're right that page says 10.9.

It was an argument against the "insanity" of a 10.5 time, you're right it costs quite a bit more.

Re:Tesla drops cheapest Model X, S variants, cuts prices to ... by mywittyname on Tuesday July 16, 2019 @01:55PM (#20452338)
A 10.5 is only normal to arm-chair racers spoiled by the glut of 600+hp factory cars. Even 10 years ago, those times were reserved for hyper-cars, or stripped-out hotrods which were towed to the track.

Even today it's impressive to see a street car run under 12s. On a given test and tune night, I'll see maybe one out of 50 street cars run sub-11s, and they're always obviously modified.

You claim it isn't insane, yet your example is BMW's fastest car. I'll throw out another Definitely Not Insane Car running a similar time: Ferrari 488 GTB.

Re:Tesla drops cheapest Model X, S variants, cuts prices to ... by navigatesol on Tuesday July 16, 2019 @03:00PM (#20452898)
>You claim it isn't insane

Whether or not it's "insane" is semantics.

The point is that once you get up into this echelon of cars, 10.5 isn't game-changing. Chrysler built a car that will stomp the Model S, and it costs 20% less. For $100k you can build many cars that will outperform a Model S; 10.5 quarter mile isn't "insane" at that price if that's what you're optimizing for.

I suppose it's exhausting seeing Tesla marketing claim "fastest car ever!" because 0-60s are fast (which, as you said is mostly due to traction and the electric drivetrain). It's embarrassing when people start comparing the Model S performance to Ferraris and Lamborghinis. They aren't even in the same league when it comes to being race ready.

Re:Tesla drops cheapest Model X, S variants, cuts prices to ... by lazyjones on Tuesday July 16, 2019 @03:36PM (#20453156)
> Chrysler built a car that will stomp the Model S, and it costs 20% less.

Which car is that?

Re:Tesla drops cheapest Model X, S variants, cuts prices to ... by mikestew on Tuesday July 16, 2019 @11:21AM (#20450902)
A 10.5 is an INSANE quarter mile time. That's like track prepped sport bike speeds.

No, it's not. It's what my old-man BMW on/off road bike will do (with a Cycle World editor onboard, not me). It's what the 1982 Honda 1100cc V65 Magna would do (with Pee Wee Gleason, professional drag racer, onboard) 37 years ago.

Pretty nuts for a car, though.

Re:Tesla drops cheapest Model X, S variants, cuts prices to ... by navigatesol on Tuesday July 16, 2019 @03:14PM (#20453000)
>No, it's not

Indeed. Any stock Supersport 600 bike will do 10.5 right out of the showroom.

Re:Tesla drops cheapest Model X, S variants, cuts prices to ... by ameister14 on Tuesday July 16, 2019 @10:47AM (#20450547)
The only car that is priced at all similarly is the SRT Demon, and that's a limited run. Are you seriously arguing that the 100D is priced hundreds of thousands below cost, or even 10s of thousands?