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Re:How many kinds of USB-C to USB-C cables are there? by ajross on Monday July 15, 2019 @06:10PM (#20445769)
> Why don't they give NAMES to these different types of cables?

Exactly! We can call the one for small peripherals "USB", the one for monitors "VGA", the one for networking "ethernet", the one for power "AC"... I suspect most users can figure out how to manage that.

Snark aside, I actually agree with you. The market powers that be completely messed this up. Basically, phones have limited port space. And for their benefit, and only their benefit, we've tried to cram together the entirety of device I/O into one multi-pronged standard that was clearly never going to work.

And those phones? Their fancy USB-C ports are almost exclusively idle. A median high end phone never does anything with that port it couldn't have gotten with a single barrel connector with ~10V DC.

Re:How many kinds of USB-C to USB-C cables are there? by Godel_unicode on Monday July 15, 2019 @06:18PM (#20445806)
Camera connectors and card readers work on most Android phones, and it's awesome to be able to swap them back and forth with my laptop. If you work at it a little so do USB drives and yubikeys. I can also charge my laptop, phone, camera, headphones, and tablet from one charger.

I'll take 10 minutes extra effort every few years to order the correct cable in exchange for that...

Re:How many kinds of USB-C to USB-C cables are there? by Dylan16807 on Monday July 15, 2019 @06:35PM (#20445934)
> Exactly! We can call the one for small peripherals "USB", the one for monitors "VGA", the one for networking "ethernet", the one for power "AC"... I suspect most users can figure out how to manage that.

Wrong kind of names. For these cables, all you should need to know is a speed rating. And they almost work that way, but the ball got dropped in a few places and the cables are badly labeled, so it turns into a nightmare.

> And for their benefit, and only their benefit, we've tried to cram together the entirety of device I/O into one multi-pronged standard that was clearly never going to work.

I can't agree at all with that. The needs of phones were already satisfied by USB micro, long before any of this cramming started. USB-C's complication is not because of phones.

And even though the data connection is rarely used, it sucks to not have it available for file transfers and backups and tethering. And barrel plugs are terrible for charging on the go. You have far fewer outlets than USB, and there are too many different sizes.

Re:How many kinds of USB-C to USB-C cables are there? by rhinoceraptor on Monday July 15, 2019 @09:53PM (#20446881)
Also, barrel jacks don't have just one polarity. I learned that the hard way when I fried my guitar amp as a kid.
Re:How many kinds of USB-C to USB-C cables are there? by jarfil on Tuesday July 16, 2019 @12:54AM (#20447571)
They usually have the polarity written down, in a tiny font on a label back down on the charger. That's why I always put labels on barrel connectors, since the manufacturers can't be bothered.
Re:How many kinds of USB-C to USB-C cables are there? by Mirioron on Tuesday July 16, 2019 @12:48AM (#20447548)
Didn't EU legislation have some impact on this?
Re:How many kinds of USB-C to USB-C cables are there? by Symbiote on Tuesday July 16, 2019 @04:10AM (#20448334)
Legislation set the USB-A connector on the transformer, but not the other end of the cable.

Before the legislation, most phone chargers had the wire fixed to the transformer, and were unique to each manufacturer. The law reduced the e-waste from obsolete chargers, but didn't care so much for the wire.

Re:How many kinds of USB-C to USB-C cables are there? by taejo on Wednesday July 17, 2019 @06:47AM (#20458104)
This doesn't match what German Wikipedia says:

Der Micro-USB-Standard bezeichnet eine Regelung auf Basis des USB-Standards, nach der ab 2011 die Steckverbinder für die Stromversorgung von Mobiltelefonen und anderen elektronischen Geräten in Europa vereinheitlicht wurden (Norm EN 62684:2011). [...] Das Kabel kann entweder fest oder durch einen Stecker mit dem Ladegerät verbunden sein. Bei einem steckbaren Kabel ist ein Standard-USB-Stecker (Typ A) zur Verbindung mit dem Ladegerät zu nutzen.

The Micro-USB standard is a regulation on the basis of the USB standard, according to which the plug for charging mobile phones and other electronic devices has been unified since 2011 (European Norm EN 62684:2011). [...] The cable can either be fixed to the charger or connected with a plug. In the latter case a USB-A plug is to be used.

Re:How many kinds of USB-C to USB-C cables are there? by Symbiote on Wednesday July 17, 2019 @11:26AM (#20460469)
"... An Adaptor can also be a detachable cable." and Apple's non-standard connector being compliant suggests this is either permitted, or a very wide loophole in the legislation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_external_power_supply#R...