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Re:The Vietnam War Was Already Lost, but I Had to Go Anyway by DougN7 on Monday July 15, 2019 @08:54AM (#20440310)
If everyone had to suffer everything that they inflicted on others, we’d soon live in a near utopia. One can dream...
Re:The Vietnam War Was Already Lost, but I Had to Go Anyway by NotSammyHagar on Monday July 15, 2019 @09:08AM (#20440400)
Knowing human nature, if we all had to share those warlike conditions, maybe we'd just endure sucking for everyone to keep the war effort going.
Re:The Vietnam War Was Already Lost, but I Had to Go Anyway by Eric_WVGG on Monday July 15, 2019 @10:29AM (#20441145)
There’s a really great science fiction novel where that’s sort of the climax, but I guess I can’t cite it without dropping a mammoth spoiler…
Re:The Vietnam War Was Already Lost, but I Had to Go Anyway by fallingfrog on Monday July 15, 2019 @09:28AM (#20440579)
You know at first that sounds glib but the more I think about it the more profound that statement appears..
Re:The Vietnam War Was Already Lost, but I Had to Go Anyway by fallingfrog on Monday July 15, 2019 @10:32AM (#20441172)
If I could elaborate more I was just thinking of various statements of political philosophy that people have made to me in the past.

“The Golden rule is the one thing that all religions have in common.”

“Liberals just want to spread the misery around.”

“What we need is facts and logic, not emotion.”

“Liberty, equality, fraternity.”

“An injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.”

I can’t tie this all up in a bow but there are some interesting themes and counter themes there. If I was a philosophy major I might be able to make more sense.

Re:The Vietnam War Was Already Lost, but I Had to Go Anyway by crankylinuxuser on Monday July 15, 2019 @09:32AM (#20440616)
One could accomplish that with forced empathy and memory injection.

We already have fMRI tech that can do some of that.

Re:The Vietnam War Was Already Lost, but I Had to Go Anyway by kingkawn on Monday July 15, 2019 @10:09AM (#20440954)
The ease with which you’ve transformed empathy into a form of oppression...
Re:The Vietnam War Was Already Lost, but I Had to Go Anyway by crankylinuxuser on Monday July 15, 2019 @12:56PM (#20442724)
I'm certainly not the only one to think of this.

I know of Twilight Zone episodes to have used that. Specifically one I can think of is the Dachau Nazi "doctor" comes back to relive his glory days, and is forced by the ghosts who still live there to forcefully feel their pain for the rest of his life. It's supernatural, but still the same idea.

There were also episodes of Outer Limits that did similar, but with a machine that forced them to live with the crime they committed.

I believe Black Mirror also did some of this as well.

Re:The Vietnam War Was Already Lost, but I Had to Go Anyway by Ididntdothis on Monday July 15, 2019 @09:49AM (#20440767)
We don’t need fMRI. There is plenty of opportunity to experience the conditions first hand.
Re:The Vietnam War Was Already Lost, but I Had to Go Anyway by dredmorbius on Monday July 15, 2019 @09:07AM (#20440394)
Or we'd select for masochists.
Re:The Vietnam War Was Already Lost, but I Had to Go Anyway by kevingadd on Monday July 15, 2019 @10:04AM (#20440921)
One thing shown by modern politics is that you're absolutely correct: Plenty of people in modern society are happy to act (and in particular, vote) in a way that will hurt them as long as they think someone who deserves it will be hurt more. Not to mention that some people simply won't be hurt by things that other people can't handle.
Re:The Vietnam War Was Already Lost, but I Had to Go Anyway by SuoDuanDao on Monday July 15, 2019 @09:38AM (#20440664)
Not sure why you're getting downvoted, it seems like a perfectly plausible outcome to me.
Re:The Vietnam War Was Already Lost, but I Had to Go Anyway by dredmorbius on Monday July 15, 2019 @05:02PM (#20445246)
Inspired by a "what could possibly go wrong" moment.

Selection incentives are a real beast.

Re:The Vietnam War Was Already Lost, but I Had to Go Anyway by lixtra on Monday July 15, 2019 @10:08AM (#20440951)
Or sadists. If you consider that Hitler went through gas warfare I have no optimism that we would be better off with politicians that know war.