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Re:Jony Ive’s Mistakes: When Beautiful Design Is Bad Design by pier25 on Sunday July 14, 2019 @09:06PM (#20437344)
I don't know why, but Apple has constantly had bad mice.

The hockey puck is mentioned in the article which is probably the worst mouse Apple has made.

Then came the Apple Pro Mouse (the transparent one) which didn't have a scroll wheel and IIRC didn't have a right click either. In the early 00s those features were super common. I remember having a Microsoft's Intellimouse with a scroll wheel in the late 90s.

Then came the Mighty Mouse. Apple added the scroll ball and right click but the scroll ball was prone to failure. Mine died after 6 months of use because the ball got a bit of dirt. Unfortunately it wasn't possible to open the mouse to clean the ball without breaking it.

Then came the Magic Mouse 1. Apple added the touch functionality but the mouse was pretty heavy including the weight of the batteries and IMO the noise of the click was quite annoying. Apple worked on the weight problem with v2 by adding their own battery, but they added the charging port at the bottom of the mouse (facepalm). Not sure if the noise of the click was solved, I didn't personally try v2.

Re:Jony Ive’s Mistakes: When Beautiful Design Is Bad Design by WalterBright on Sunday July 14, 2019 @09:20PM (#20437408)
> but they added the charging port at the bottom of the mouse (facepalm)

Reminds me of the 1968 VW Camper Bus. (My dad had one.) You can always tell the 68's because the gas filler was located on the right rear quarter panel. When you were filling up, and opened the sliding door, it would shear off the gas pump.

In '69 they moved it to the other side.

Re:Jony Ive’s Mistakes: When Beautiful Design Is Bad Design by organsnyder on Sunday July 14, 2019 @10:10PM (#20437621)
Then, when minivans started having sliding doors on both sides, the problem returned. Pretty sure our minivan won't let us open the driver-side door if the gas door is open.
Re:Jony Ive’s Mistakes: When Beautiful Design Is Bad Design by WalterBright on Sunday July 14, 2019 @10:34PM (#20437703)
> Pretty sure our minivan won't let us open the driver-side door if the gas door is open.

My dad's low tech solution was to yell at me to not open the door when he was pumping gas.

Re:Jony Ive’s Mistakes: When Beautiful Design Is Bad Design by saagarjha on Monday July 15, 2019 @03:55AM (#20438918)
Funnily enough that was mine's as well. Didn't stop us from hitting the pump once or twice anyways, though luckily we didn't break anything…
Re:Jony Ive’s Mistakes: When Beautiful Design Is Bad Design by asark on Sunday July 14, 2019 @09:16PM (#20437385)
> they added the charging port at the bottom of the mouse (facepalm).

I thought this was incredibly stupid until I actually used one. The battery lasts so long and charges so fast that it's not a problem, to the point that I wouldn't pay so much as a dollar to "fix" it by moving the port to the edge.

Re:Jony Ive’s Mistakes: When Beautiful Design Is Bad Design by TazeTSchnitzel on Monday July 15, 2019 @03:22AM (#20438795)
I dislike the inconsistency where the corresponding keyboard is a USB keyboard with a cable connected, but the mouse isn't (and physically couldn't be).
Re:Jony Ive’s Mistakes: When Beautiful Design Is Bad Design by tonyedgecombe on Monday July 15, 2019 @03:55AM (#20438917)
The big difference is you don’t drag your keyboard around the table putting a strain on the connector.
Re:Jony Ive’s Mistakes: When Beautiful Design Is Bad Design by TazeTSchnitzel on Tuesday July 16, 2019 @02:48AM (#20447999)
Mice seem to have handled that fine for decades?
Re:Jony Ive’s Mistakes: When Beautiful Design Is Bad Design by pier25 on Monday July 15, 2019 @10:07AM (#20440940)
I reckon it's not so common but... what if you are in the middle of something and your battery dies?
Re:Jony Ive’s Mistakes: When Beautiful Design Is Bad Design by asark on Monday July 15, 2019 @11:10AM (#20441526)
If you 1) don't plug it in at all for several weeks, including 2) ignoring low battery warnings for multiple days near the end, then you're looking at like 15min of making coffee and taking a walk around the building to let it charge enough to finish out the day, if, say, you sat down at your desk in the morning and it was already dead. Or 15min of using your trackpad if you're using it with a Macbook. But it's the kind of thing you'd have to be almost trying to do to have it happen even once a year. The crazy-good battery life and very fast charging are what make it such a non-issue.

If it had an edge plug I'd probably have started off using it plugged in all the time, though, just because I'm so used to battery powered peripherals being so shitty that not plugging them in when there's an opportunity is a bad move. Kinda like how it took a period of adjustment when I started using Macbooks to get used to my laptop being usable long enough on battery power that I didn't need to constantly be looking for power outlets, or carting my power supply everywhere I went.

Re:Jony Ive’s Mistakes: When Beautiful Design Is Bad Design by pier25 on Monday July 15, 2019 @11:26AM (#20441700)
I don't know if it would be a once-a-year event. That happens more frequently to me with the the Magic Keyboard 2. Thankfully I can connect it and keep working.

No integrated keyboard in my iMac... :)

Re:Jony Ive’s Mistakes: When Beautiful Design Is Bad Design by atombender on Monday July 15, 2019 @12:56AM (#20438249)
Not just the mice themselves. For a long time, Macs had an insane mouse pointer acceleration curve. It required long movements in order to move the pointer anywhere beyond the immediate area, and it affected both the trackpad and wired mice.

Back when I switched from Windows to Mac in 2006, I found this perhaps the most disruptive aspect; everything else was pretty standard GUI stuff, but the mouse behaviour was a nightmare. Windows had a different acceleration curve that felt super snappy (at the cost of a loss of precision), whereas on the Mac it was sluggish; it was a chore to get the mouse pointer to move anywhere.

For years I ran various apps that would fix the acceleration, including a tool from SteelSeries. I wasn't alone in being frustrated — forums were full of discussions about this. I'm not sure what happened or when, but I haven't needed that app in a long time. Apple must have changed the acceleration curve — I don't see any other explanation. Perhaps it came with the attempts at unifying the trackpad with iOS gestures, which require a 1:1 correspondence of your movement with what happens on the screen.

Re:Jony Ive’s Mistakes: When Beautiful Design Is Bad Design by pier25 on Monday July 15, 2019 @10:05AM (#20440923)
I switched to Mac in 2007 and that drove me crazy too. For years I used some app[1] that imitated the Windows acc. curves but even with that it never felt as good as Windows.

Never had that issue with the trackpad though, only with mice.

Not sure when Apple change those, or if I just got used to the Mac curves over the years.

[1] http://triq.net/mac/mouse-acceleration

Re:Jony Ive’s Mistakes: When Beautiful Design Is Bad Design by rimliu on Monday July 15, 2019 @03:19AM (#20438777)
You can change the acceleration in the preferences. I don't remember if it was there in 2006, but I assume so.
Re:Jony Ive’s Mistakes: When Beautiful Design Is Bad Design by atombender on Monday July 15, 2019 @10:58AM (#20441412)
You've always been able to change the speed, but not the acceleration.
Re:Jony Ive’s Mistakes: When Beautiful Design Is Bad Design by pier25 on Monday July 15, 2019 @10:01AM (#20440889)
You can?

AFAIK you can change the cursor speed (called "tracking speed") but not the acceleration curve.

Re:Jony Ive’s Mistakes: When Beautiful Design Is Bad Design by ynx on Monday July 15, 2019 @04:27AM (#20439026)
It was.
Re:Jony Ive’s Mistakes: When Beautiful Design Is Bad Design by baggy_trough on Sunday July 14, 2019 @09:27PM (#20437432)
It's true. They really have unusable mice. It's strange to have to resort to using Microsoft and Amazon basic mice to get anything done.