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Re:Soil Erosion: Why soil is disappearing from farms by adrianN on Sunday July 14, 2019 @12:04PM (#20434152)
One thing I'd love to see more studies about is adding charcoal to the soil. There is decent evidence that this greatly improves soil quality as the large surface area of the charcoal particles allows microbes to grow and stores water. It also has the added benefit of capturing carbon in a form that is stable for millennia.
Re:Soil Erosion: Why soil is disappearing from farms by jelliclesfarm on Sunday July 14, 2019 @12:13PM (#20434204)
Bio char. But it works in more tropical areas. Otherwise it has to be shipped. South America case studies plenty.
Re:Soil Erosion: Why soil is disappearing from farms by zkomp on Sunday July 14, 2019 @01:36PM (#20434650)
Hmm, afaik up to 10% biochar is considered beneficial in any soil and will keep nutrients fixated in the soil, more than that is mainly good since it removes co2 from the environment.

Why ship it? you just burn brush and waste where you have it and put the fire out before charcoal turns to ash and then innoculate it with compost and you are done..

Re:Soil Erosion: Why soil is disappearing from farms by aitchnyu on Tuesday July 16, 2019 @09:00AM (#20449576)
New Delhi and other cities are suffering from farms burning off dry wheat stalks. Will a charcoal process offer an incentive to farmers to burn hay cleanly?
Re:Soil Erosion: Why soil is disappearing from farms by simonebrunozzi on Sunday July 14, 2019 @12:51PM (#20434403)
I'm curious, why it doesn't work in temperate climates? Also, I think it heavily depends on how "rich" / volcanic the soil is in the first place, perhaps?
Re:Soil Erosion: Why soil is disappearing from farms by jelliclesfarm on Sunday July 14, 2019 @01:43PM (#20434684)
https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/aa67bd : here

[..]Here we use a global-scale meta-analysis to show that biochar has, on average, no effect on crop yield in temperate latitudes, yet elicits a 25% average increase in yield in the tropics. In the tropics, biochar increased yield through liming and fertilization, consistent with the low soil pH, low fertility, and low fertilizer inputs typical of arable tropical soils. We also found that, in tropical soils, high-nutrient biochar inputs stimulated yield substantially more than low-nutrient biochar, further supporting the role of nutrient fertilization in the observed yield stimulation. In contrast, arable soils in temperate regions are moderate in pH, higher in fertility, and generally receive higher fertilizer inputs, leaving little room for additional benefits from biochar. Our findings demonstrate that the yield-stimulating effects of biochar are not universal, but may especially benefit agriculture in low-nutrient, acidic soils in the tropics. Biochar management in temperate zones should focus on potential non-yield benefits such as lime and fertilizer cost savings, greenhouse gas emissions control, and other ecosystem services.[..]

Re:Soil Erosion: Why soil is disappearing from farms by nullstyle on Sunday July 14, 2019 @03:03PM (#20435234)
That appears to be a limited meta-analysis that itself postulated the reason temperate yield didn't improve because temperate soils were more fertilized on average than the tropical soil studies.

We're talking in the context of soil depletion in this thread, so I don't think their limited conclusion applies.

Re:Soil Erosion: Why soil is disappearing from farms by jelliclesfarm on Sunday July 14, 2019 @06:26PM (#20436615)
Possibly. I haven’t done any studies. I find good soil management with rotation and maintaining soil biome is sufficient in my Ca 8a/8b soil. My fields have soils that can be categorized as yolo loam and adobe can’t.
Re:Soil Erosion: Why soil is disappearing from farms by Nasrudith on Sunday July 14, 2019 @05:58PM (#20436407)
One thing not mentioned often about rainforrests is that their soil is actually pretty damn terrible. Which is also why you see things like carnivorous plants there.
Re:Soil Erosion: Why soil is disappearing from farms by jelliclesfarm on Sunday July 14, 2019 @06:17PM (#20436558)
So what if rainforest soil is terrible...their main function is to sequester carbon and act as a carbon sink supporting habitat and balance terrestrial ecology.
Re:Soil Erosion: Why soil is disappearing from farms by Nasrudith on Sunday July 14, 2019 @07:13PM (#20436881)
That is more for "why it helps there in the first place" than any disparagement of the rainforests. That the soil is terrible is more reason to leave them there - especially when they provide steady rain.

It isn't like temperate climates where you can rotate between farms, fields, and forrests over time easier.

Re:Soil Erosion: Why soil is disappearing from farms by jelliclesfarm on Sunday July 14, 2019 @07:57PM (#20437068)
right. i hear you.

may i ask what you mean by 'terrible'...nutritionally deficient or acidic..etc etc?

Re:Soil Erosion: Why soil is disappearing from farms by cmroanirgo on Sunday July 14, 2019 @01:44PM (#20434689)
It's my understanding that charcoal, ie burnt wood, is basically inert and unusable by plant life.

I was at a soil management talk once, out in a paddock, and we dug a few holes looking at biomes and general soil quality. When we dug up bits of charcoal, the man said nothing has been burnt here for at least 50 years. It's my experience that wood is better at storing water: if interested have a look at hugelculture/ hugelkultur. It's a method that deliberately buries timber for nutrient and water retainment and as it composts it continues to feed the soil nearby.

Re:Soil Erosion: Why soil is disappearing from farms by detritus on Sunday July 14, 2019 @02:10PM (#20434854)
OP is possibly posting the query in relation to what they've heard about Terra Preta, which is a dark and healthy soil found across the Amazon, rich in charcoal, and suspected to be significantly anthropogenic in origin...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terra_preta

- ed

I think charcoal's use in this context is more in terms of a structural matrix, rather than itself being of 'nutritious value'.

Re:Soil Erosion: Why soil is disappearing from farms by hevi_jos on Sunday July 14, 2019 @04:11PM (#20435678)
Charcoal is very useful for plants.

It is extremely absorbent to anything, specially nutrients in the soil so they don't get washed away by rain or irrigation. it releases them slowly.

I have done tests myself with very small quantities, 50 or so plants, half of those without, half with it, and plants certainly improve a lot.

We need scientific studies of thousands and thousands of plants for info about the combination of all those things.

It will require several disciplines, like genome extraction from soil, computer science to identify the microorganism present, lots of sensors for humidity, temperature, ph and so on.