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Re:Craig Newmark: a survivor from the era of internet optimism by bruceb on Sunday July 14, 2019 @11:53AM (#20434069)
This includes The Guardian opinion pieces.

I am surprised their isn't outrage as a service on twitter. I writer needs 10 twitter accounts to say something controversial so that can write about the "backlash" to some event or celeb. Maybe this already exists, just not obvious yet.

Re:Craig Newmark: a survivor from the era of internet optimism by chiefalchemist on Sunday July 14, 2019 @12:46PM (#20434385)
Not really necessary. There is __always__ some pushback on Twitter. Take a position and you'll find those on your side, and those against you. Confirmation bias is alive and well on the internet.

What continues to shock me is how willing (so called) jouranalist are to use Twitter as a source of reliable and trustworthy info. Again, you can find a handful of tweets to support - or not - _any_ issue.

Re:Craig Newmark: a survivor from the era of internet optimism by pm90 on Sunday July 14, 2019 @01:01PM (#20434446)
Journalists don’t use Twitter as the source of truth unless there is no other way to get info. Eg the current POTUS doesn’t even have regular press briefings and uses Tweets to broadcast everything.

Journalists do seem to like Twitter as a platform to debate though. This was where they found it very useful, and why so many of them were early adopters and continue to be active there.

Why do they like Twitter?Today’s issues are so complex that writing long form articles on every event can limit the scope of your views to one or 2 main things while you may still be interested to debate other things. Twitter is a low cost, easily setup platform to do that.

Re:Craig Newmark: a survivor from the era of internet optimism by heavenlyblue on Sunday July 14, 2019 @03:37PM (#20435458)
>> interested to debate

Can you elaborate on good debate threads that happened on Twitter?

Re:Craig Newmark: a survivor from the era of internet optimism by chiefalchemist on Sunday July 14, 2019 @06:01PM (#20436431)
Please note: so called preceded journalists. That is, there are a vast number of media-ites who think of themselves as journalists. It's not that easy.
Re:Craig Newmark: a survivor from the era of internet optimism by zeta0134 on Sunday July 14, 2019 @12:18PM (#20434237)
I'm not entirely certain this is necessary. If any article gains any traction at all, you can simply pull tweets from random, completely normal humans, and spin that to make whatever point you're trying to make.

It's... kinda discouraging both how easy this is to do, and how credible it appears on the surface with the right framing.

Re:Craig Newmark: a survivor from the era of internet optimism by Reedx on Sunday July 14, 2019 @01:52PM (#20434748)
Twitter is Outrage as a Service. It's just not a service you have to pay for.
Re:Craig Newmark: a survivor from the era of internet optimism by pessimizer on Sunday July 14, 2019 @12:11PM (#20434189)
Or 10 twitter accounts to rage about the article you just wrote but no one read.
Re:Craig Newmark: a survivor from the era of internet optimism by dmix on Sunday July 14, 2019 @12:59PM (#20434437)
Controversial articles need controversy
Re:Craig Newmark: a survivor from the era of internet optimism by Razengan on Sunday July 14, 2019 @01:28PM (#20434605)
It is obvious most of the time.

Do you assume major companies don't do it to each other all the time? Sometimes they get caught at it. See:

https://www.google.com/search?q=Samsung+paying+students+for+...

Reddit for Sale: https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/bb7t71/reddit_for_s...

Re:Craig Newmark: a survivor from the era of internet optimism by pjc50 on Sunday July 14, 2019 @01:08PM (#20434476)
This is provided by some of the "mainstream" "press"; Brendan O'Neill in Spiked, for example, can be relied on to produce the absolute worst, most controversial take on something that's just happened, manufacturing a whole load of outrage.
Re:Craig Newmark: a survivor from the era of internet optimism by buboard on Sunday July 14, 2019 @06:06PM (#20436468)
> their isn't outrage as a service on twitter

There isn't? What are all those social media managers doing ?

Re:Craig Newmark: a survivor from the era of internet optimism by astazangasta on Sunday July 14, 2019 @12:17PM (#20434228)
This is in the category of "outrage outrage", where we are outraged that other people are getting outraged about things.
Re:Craig Newmark: a survivor from the era of internet optimism by Ensorceled on Sunday July 14, 2019 @12:57PM (#20434431)
Ironically, this is why I personally find the use of "snowflake" and "SJW" so enraging.
Re:Craig Newmark: a survivor from the era of internet optimism by world32 on Monday July 15, 2019 @02:25PM (#20443638)
"outrage outrage outrage".
Re:Craig Newmark: a survivor from the era of internet optimism by astazangasta on Sunday July 14, 2019 @03:14PM (#20435312)
I find those terms particularly perplexing because the idea of ridiculing people for their sensitivity to particular political concerns is an exercise in demonstrating your sensitivity to particular political concerns. Cura te ipsum!
Re:Craig Newmark: a survivor from the era of internet optimism by nathanasmith on Monday July 15, 2019 @03:59AM (#20438933)
"Tu quoque, (Latin for "you also"), or the appeal to hypocrisy, is a fallacy that intends to discredit the opponent's argument by asserting the opponent's failure to act consistently in accordance with its conclusion(s)."

You might find the rest of the wikipedia article interesting. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque