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Re:Anomalous CPU utilization on Windows build node caused by... by jchw on Friday July 12, 2019 @12:13PM (#20421773)
The duality of modern Microsoft is absolutely astounding. How they can simultaneously do incredible things for Github, and open source Windows components, while continuing to not fix the most user hostile Windows ever produced, is completely bonkers.

My litmus test for whether Windows is finally fixed is whether of not it’s possible to install it without Candy Crush, but unfortunately without killing the network and applying a registry patch as far as I know it can’t be done.

Re:Anomalous CPU utilization on Windows build node caused by... by umvi on Friday July 12, 2019 @12:21PM (#20421850)
> The duality of modern Microsoft is absolutely astounding.

See: http://bonkersworld.net/organizational-charts

I don't work there, but I've heard Microsoft is more like a federation of organizations than one giant consistent, cohesive team.

Re:Anomalous CPU utilization on Windows build node caused by... by jchw on Friday July 12, 2019 @02:43PM (#20423239)
Because its buried far down and I can’t edit my post, I want to hijack this post to point out that it turns out in newer builds MS has actually removed the Candy Crush auto installation.

https://mspoweruser.com/rejoice-windows-users-candy-crush-is...

I didn’t notice because my Windows 10 image is out of date, presumably getting the latest ISO would fix the problem.

Re:Anomalous CPU utilization on Windows build node caused by... by withinrafael on Friday July 12, 2019 @09:42PM (#20426001)
Nope. This feature bootstraps from the web and it's still in the latest update post-fresh install. This article is incorrect.
Re:Anomalous CPU utilization on Windows build node caused by... by jchw on Friday July 12, 2019 @10:02PM (#20426062)
I will investigate, but if you have a solid source for that it would save me the trouble. Thanks anyways. I’d really like for MS to stop doing this if they haven’t, I have a personal ban on running Windows outside of VMs until its over.

UPDATE:

Sigh... you are correct. Fresh install, Win10 Pro, same garbage.

https://i.imgur.com/zDWo4Hb.png

Re:Anomalous CPU utilization on Windows build node caused by... by whereistimbo on Saturday July 13, 2019 @05:31AM (#20427272)
Are you signed into Microsoft account or using local account?

I've heard that Microsoft account sync the start menu layout, so it might come from your previous install.

I'm using Win10 1903 fresh install (local account) and I haven't get candy crush tile ever.

Re:Anomalous CPU utilization on Windows build node caused by... by NullPrefix on Saturday July 13, 2019 @07:10AM (#20427502)
Previously a fresh install was enough to fix windows. Does it mean that you need a new online account every time you reinstall?
Re:Anomalous CPU utilization on Windows build node caused by... by jchw on Saturday July 13, 2019 @11:58AM (#20428668)
Local account. If you are connected to the network it tries to download it.
Re:Anomalous CPU utilization on Windows build node caused by... by merb on Saturday July 13, 2019 @08:21AM (#20427702)
most people think that the start menu ribbons are things that are installed. however with windows pro for home users you might also get candy crush, but there is also windows pro for business which only has some ribbons like bubble witch that would install it, when clicked.

i'm still always confused why somebody creates two versions and label them 'as business' and as home use.

Re:Anomalous CPU utilization on Windows build node caused by... by agumonkey on Friday July 12, 2019 @12:55PM (#20422184)
So are most big corps methinks. Here about Nokia death caused by internal tension between depts ? Sony sub-units more or less completely independent (selling cd and cd-burners).
Re:Anomalous CPU utilization on Windows build node caused by... by panpanna on Saturday July 13, 2019 @03:36AM (#20426981)
Sony is NOT like that.

For example their phones have extremely complicated DRM that makes everything slower (and reserves tons of memory and even affects things like camera) because of their movie and music business.

Re:Anomalous CPU utilization on Windows build node caused by... by aNoob7000 on Friday July 12, 2019 @01:36PM (#20422565)
Oh man, I couldn't stop giggling looking at the Microsoft and Oracle org charts. Those two pictures capture those two organizations completely.
Re:Anomalous CPU utilization on Windows build node caused by... by userbinator on Friday July 12, 2019 @10:30PM (#20426148)
I've talked to some Microsoft employees who use the Server edition of Windows on their primary development machines, especially instead of Windows 10, since they can legally do that easily. Apparently it's somewhat popular to do that. I think it's quite telling when its own employees avoid Win10.
Re:Anomalous CPU utilization on Windows build node caused by... by kitchenkarma on Friday July 12, 2019 @01:58PM (#20422835)
I don't think Microsoft is doing incredible things. They are baiting the developers and just use the strategy of locking people into their constellation of spying services. Acquiring GitHub they got access to all private repositiories and insight to what other companies are doing. This is despicable.
Re:Anomalous CPU utilization on Windows build node caused by... by urda on Friday July 12, 2019 @02:05PM (#20422912)
> Acquiring GitHub they got access to all private repositiories and insight to what other companies are doing. This is despicable.

Spreading disinformation in 2019 is despicable itself.

- Microsoft already handles data from competitors in other portions of their corporation. If it was discovered that Microsoft and / or GitHub actors were acting in bad faith with private repositories, that would immediately erode the trust of their Azure platform.

- Most projects are more than just the code. It's often build toolchains, pipelines, and other specific knowledge around said code.

Re:Anomalous CPU utilization on Windows build node caused by... by oblio on Friday July 12, 2019 @02:26PM (#20423092)
You're not looking at the big picture. Microsoft already has - and has had for 30 years! - the most valuable data in the world flowing through Excel and Word.

Code is cool, but they could already know everything every company in the world is doing.

I don't think they're abusing the trust put into them, we'd know by now.

They'd also probably be blown to smithereens by governments and other corporations, through lawsuits.

Re:Anomalous CPU utilization on Windows build node caused by... by marcosdumay on Friday July 12, 2019 @01:50PM (#20422734)
> How they can simultaneously do incredible things for Github, and open source Windows components, while continuing to not fix the most user hostile Windows ever produced, is completely bonkers.

Developers, developers, developers.

When they stopped singing that, they nearly failed. Now they are back. It doesn't include being nice to end-users.

Re:Anomalous CPU utilization on Windows build node caused by... by freehunter on Friday July 12, 2019 @12:47PM (#20422099)
Honest question and I am absolutely not starting an argument, but what have they done for Github? All I'm aware of is making private repos free, but I haven't seen anything beyond that. I must be out of the loop.
Re:Anomalous CPU utilization on Windows build node caused by... by jchw on Friday July 12, 2019 @12:58PM (#20422222)
I have no idea how much they had to do with Github’s recent developments, but:

- Github Sponsors with donation matching for some limited time period

- Github Pro which based on browsing user profiles a surprising amount of folks have bought into

- Github Package Repositories.

- Github Pipelines.

Generally I have been waiting for Github to start sucking but it has only gotten better imo.

I have been a pretty big Gitlab fanboy for a while so it’s weird to harp on Github’s progress but they’ve done a good job flipping the script.

Re:Anomalous CPU utilization on Windows build node caused by... by paavohtl on Friday July 12, 2019 @01:28PM (#20422474)
> - Github Pro which based on browsing user profiles a surprising amount of folks have bought into

Not a statement either way, but AFAIK everyone who has the Student Pack[1] gets the PRO badge. I have it and I haven't spent a penny on GitHub (though my employer has).

[1] https://education.github.com/pack

Re:Anomalous CPU utilization on Windows build node caused by... by joeblubaugh on Friday July 12, 2019 @01:10PM (#20422311)
Their PR UIs have recently gotten some much-needed improvements too.
Re:Anomalous CPU utilization on Windows build node caused by... by kzrdude on Friday July 12, 2019 @03:37PM (#20423718)
We finally got a dual sided "more context" button for diffs, that was so annoying when that was missing (and a declined feature request when I asked).
Re:Anomalous CPU utilization on Windows build node caused by... by cjaybo on Friday July 12, 2019 @12:53PM (#20422165)
The latest development that I'm aware of is the package registry they are launching: https://github.com/features/package-registry
Re:Anomalous CPU utilization on Windows build node caused by... by zarathustraa on Friday July 12, 2019 @12:46PM (#20422089)
> My litmus test for whether Windows is finally fixed is whether of not it’s possible to install it without Candy Crush

https://mspoweruser.com/rejoice-windows-users-candy-crush-is...

What's you new litmus test?

Re:Anomalous CPU utilization on Windows build node caused by... by withinrafael on Friday July 12, 2019 @09:41PM (#20425997)
Sadly, this story is wrong and stems from a misunderstanding of how this feature works. The OS bootstraps these suggested apps from a configuration hosted by Microsoft servers, not anything present in your ISO. (e.g. https://twitter.com/thurrott/status/1122847063312613377)
Re:Anomalous CPU utilization on Windows build node caused by... by jchw on Friday July 12, 2019 @02:25PM (#20423083)
Thank you.

I installed Windows as early as last month (in a VM) and still got Candy Crush. This is probably because my ISO image was not fully up to date.

I was not aware of this change but it is greatly appreciated. I can no longer modify the parent comment but if dang or anyone else with permission wants to please feel free.

No need for a new litmus test, though solving the problem of Edge opening MSN ads after updating would probably buy some goodwill.

Re:Anomalous CPU utilization on Windows build node caused by... by jchw on Friday July 12, 2019 @10:40PM (#20426187)
Correction: It still happens with a completely fresh install, just like withinrafael claims.

https://i.imgur.com/zDWo4Hb.png

Very sad.

Re:Anomalous CPU utilization on Windows build node caused by... by Apaec on Friday July 12, 2019 @01:47PM (#20422703)
It's still an stupid mistake MS made that could be once back. That's enough for me for staying away from the MS tax for life.
Re:Anomalous CPU utilization on Windows build node caused by... by fortran77 on Friday July 12, 2019 @02:55PM (#20423338)
Mac OSX comes with chess. What's the difference?
Re:Anomalous CPU utilization on Windows build node caused by... by pseudalopex on Friday July 12, 2019 @04:11PM (#20424043)
Chess doesn't encourage spending money.
Re:Anomalous CPU utilization on Windows build node caused by... by esmi on Friday July 12, 2019 @09:40PM (#20425991)
Looking over my library I’d have to disagree about that. :)
Re:Anomalous CPU utilization on Windows build node caused by... by w1nst0nsm1th on Friday July 12, 2019 @08:10PM (#20425658)
Chess is a noble activity.

Candy Crush is pure garbage.

Re:Anomalous CPU utilization on Windows build node caused by... by fortran77 on Friday July 12, 2019 @02:53PM (#20423325)
I just checked my Windows 10 machine that I use every day for 8 hours to get real work done. There's no "Candy Crush" on it.
Re:Anomalous CPU utilization on Windows build node caused by... by duhballs on Friday July 12, 2019 @02:06PM (#20422918)
this past weekend my windows 10 host installed candy crush (and other stuff) without asking me. I honestly thought I had been hacked. My other favorite thing is bing in the start menu. They changed the gpo/registry setting to disable it like twice, and didn't even have safe search enabled on it!
Re:Anomalous CPU utilization on Windows build node caused by... by api on Friday July 12, 2019 @12:21PM (#20421846)
It mirrors the new structure of the industry: developers are a totally separate market from users and generally get paid to work on software whose purpose is to exploit and "farm" users through surveillance capitalism and AI/ML powered soft mind control.

In other words developers (and their employers) are customers while users are a product or resource to be exploited.

Re:Anomalous CPU utilization on Windows build node caused by... by jimbob45 on Friday July 12, 2019 @12:17PM (#20421804)
Seems to me that DirectX is the last remaining barrier to finally getting the majority of the Windows user base to migrate to Linux. That and driver support.
Re:Anomalous CPU utilization on Windows build node caused by... by AnIdiotOnTheNet on Friday July 12, 2019 @12:32PM (#20421957)
You are ludicrously incorrect, just as everyone for the past 2 decades has been when they have predicted the year of the Linux Desktop. This trend will continue until Linux Desktop people stop underestimating what users actually do with computers.
Re:Anomalous CPU utilization on Windows build node caused by... by bediger4000 on Friday July 12, 2019 @01:37PM (#20422569)
> people stop underestimating what users actually do with computers

Oddly, this is the factor that underlies most of my personal beefs with both Microsoft and Apple. What's wrong with my wifi? At least I can look in journalctl on linux. My laptop doesn't have enough screenspace - I can use i3wm on linux. I want double-click to include '*' and '/' and ':' in a "word", hey I can change xterm config. I want left-mouse-button to start a selection, and right to continue it, and middle-mouse-button to paste, and I want F2 to paste, X11 can do that. I don't want the focused window to pop to the top? Can do on Linux. There's so many things that Windows and MacOS make the decisions for you and make it very, very hard to do otherwise that really cramp your style on a basic level.

Re:Anomalous CPU utilization on Windows build node caused by... by zamalek on Friday July 12, 2019 @06:04PM (#20424932)
Most people don't do these things on their computers:

> journalctl, i3wm, xterm config, non-standard mouse configurations

The versatility of Linux is frequently touted as its best feature, a feature that 99% of humans don't care about, and would confuse that same 99% of people.

People are used to what Microsoft and Apple imposed on them. For better, or for worse, they honestly couldn't give a damn about being able to do stuff like that. Their style is the Apple style, or the Microsoft style and, most importantly, the no-terminal style.

Linux is the perfect desktop for developers. It hits all the wrong checkboxes for end-users.

Re:Anomalous CPU utilization on Windows build node caused by... by bediger4000 on Saturday July 13, 2019 @03:24PM (#20429700)
Agreed, most people don't do much more than open "Edge" and "Outlook", some people Use "Word", a few people use "Excel" because "Word" doesn't do tables very well. The point being two-fold:

1. The argument that a Linux desktop won't fly because people do so damn many things that a Linux desktop just can't do is false. 2. Windows and Mac really push you hard into a single style of interacting with your computer.

Re:Anomalous CPU utilization on Windows build node caused by... by AnIdiotOnTheNet on Saturday July 13, 2019 @05:03PM (#20430147)
> a feature that 99% of humans don't care about, and would confuse that same 99% of people.

This is precisely the kind of condescending bullshit I'm talking about.

> People are used to what Microsoft and Apple imposed on them.

A convenient fantasy for Linux Desktop evangelists to soothe their egos.

Re:Anomalous CPU utilization on Windows build node caused by... by w1nst0nsm1th on Friday July 12, 2019 @09:08PM (#20425872)
Trackpad drivers on linux are not even close of the kind of gesture MacOS allow, with the help of a third party app.

And to configure the said trackpad, I have a nice GUI allowing me to define dozens of mouvement, triggers and response events for whatever application. No need to study the obscure documentation of xinput or whatever, if you're even successfull to find it on the web, only to dicover the possibilities doesn't go over of what you were able to do 10 years ago, which was very basic, e.g single tap, double tap, 2 fingers tap and that it. Last time I checked, 3 fingers swipe was not even registered.

Desktop interface of Linux computers feels like outdated copy of Windows. XFCE and LXDE looks like windows 95. Gnome, Mate and Cinamon never made it past 2008 and KDE is buggy as hell and a mess to configure.

And most desktop application feels like they have been made by a company going broke before being able to polish the interface.

With MacOS, you have the best of both world: a standard nix system, with a nice interface, a repository system (brew, macport) and polished commercial applications from an app store or from the wild.

Linux is good for niche applications: server, embedded systems, and a few specialized distro like kali or tails. For regular desktop application, that's still functional, but without the happiness.

Re:Anomalous CPU utilization on Windows build node caused by... by owl57 on Saturday July 13, 2019 @06:35AM (#20427415)
XFCE and LXDE looks like windows 95

Most of all, it looks exactly like it looked last year. That's a feature.

Re:Anomalous CPU utilization on Windows build node caused by... by iforgotpassword on Friday July 12, 2019 @12:57PM (#20422202)
> This trend will continue until Linux Desktop people stop underestimating what users actually do with computers.

Nothing. They use apps on their Linux phones, or happily use any OS that runs a browser since everything is web based today. Oh and for gaming there is consoles of course, which crushes the PC gaming market in pretty much any discipline.

The only people remaining dependent on desktops (or laptops) will be office workers, and I'm pretty sure they don't care about DirectX so much, so replacing those with Linux seems very doable, it's just the question if companies care enough. Last I checked, even office 365 worked on Linux.

Re:Anomalous CPU utilization on Windows build node caused by... by la_barba on Friday July 12, 2019 @01:30PM (#20422504)
You are discounting a very very large professional worker segment that relies of domain specific tools. We need more than a netbook with a browser. For e.g. In pharma, we wouldn't get any work done if we didn't use Windows. All of our software requires windows - analysis software, control software, automation software etc, etc. In our labs we're using software made for Windows XP on Windows 10, because it just works, and buying the newer version would cost thousands of dollars. If we were an architecture company we'd buy autocad or whatever, or if we were an accounting firm, we'd buy quickbooks or quicken, etc, etc.
Re:Anomalous CPU utilization on Windows build node caused by... by jimmaswell on Friday July 12, 2019 @01:51PM (#20422751)
I wonder if WINE will ever be enough to cover all these cases. Though the cost of Windows licenses is generally trivial for businesses and they want support. I don't know how good RHEL for Workstations is but maybe that'd get more adoption in business if WINE was perfect and that desktop experience was as good as/better than Win10, or even had a DE made to be as similar as possible to Win10 to make it easier for employees to switch.
Re:Anomalous CPU utilization on Windows build node caused by... by gmueckl on Friday July 12, 2019 @02:15PM (#20423001)
How can WINE ever be as good as Windows when it is forever doomed to play catchup with a vast team of developers and decades of secret compatibility hacks that make Windows behave differently for different applications on purpose? I know that the hacks exist in a special shim layer and Windows has a database of applications that require certain sets of shims enabled. But details like an actual documentation of the individual shims are secret.
Re:Anomalous CPU utilization on Windows build node caused by... by la_barba on Friday July 12, 2019 @04:35PM (#20424259)
Well the WINE folks have their heart in the right place, but its not really a good idea to re-implement a proprietary API for the purposes of binary compatibility. In any case, it makes sense for Windows Version N+1 to ensure compatibility with buggy applications that worked in Windows Version N. From an end-user standpoint I would hope all operating systems invest resources in ensuring application compatibility.
Re:Anomalous CPU utilization on Windows build node caused by... by gmueckl on Saturday July 13, 2019 @04:15AM (#20427068)
That shim layer makes sense. The real problem here is the lack of documentation. You can either reverse engineer aplication behaviour one application at a time to create your own layer or you can try to reverse engineer the database of hacks, which is skirting reverse engineering restrictions in the Windows EULA. Either one is time consuming.
Re:Anomalous CPU utilization on Windows build node caused by... by jimmaswell on Friday July 12, 2019 @08:20PM (#20425703)
Maybe if a big company started funding it.
Re:Anomalous CPU utilization on Windows build node caused by... by la_barba on Friday July 12, 2019 @04:15PM (#20424081)
Our industry is regulated so if you run the software using anything other than the vendor sanctioned way, the vendor will not validate your system, and without validation you cannot use it to produce or test any clinical material. Well you can try, but the FDA will simply close down your company. There simply isn't any business justification to change anything since what we have is working just fine. My larger point was that "office workers" includes lots and lots of industries where the domain-specific softwares are largely windows based.
Re:Anomalous CPU utilization on Windows build node caused by... by yc-kraln on Friday July 12, 2019 @06:09PM (#20424966)
WINE will never work for these use cases because the professional software is purchased and licensed for Windows. Not on Windows? No support for you. And each one of these (let's call them "Professional Computing Niches") has its own ecosystem of plugins and extensions and scripts and nonsense that have been built up over decades and are essential to keep things running. As a business you'd be bonkers to "switch" a working system.
Re:Anomalous CPU utilization on Windows build node caused by... by cameronbrown on Friday July 12, 2019 @02:00PM (#20422852)
> Oh and for gaming there is consoles of course, which crushes the PC gaming market in pretty much any discipline.

PC overtook console gaming in terms of revenue over five years ago. There's a vastly more players on PC nowadays.

https://www.pcr-online.biz/2014/04/25/pc-games-have-surpasse...

Re:Anomalous CPU utilization on Windows build node caused by... by nvrspyx on Friday July 12, 2019 @04:18PM (#20424112)
Except it's almost entirely Dota 2, LoL, and exploitative F2P games that make up those market figures. The only thing this indicates is that the mobile gaming culture is extending to the PC. Personally, I wouldn't really flaunt these numbers as PC being having more revenue for most developers, just the lucky few that have their games run on low-end hardware and/or use exploitative tactics.
Re:Anomalous CPU utilization on Windows build node caused by... by AnIdiotOnTheNet on Friday July 12, 2019 @01:29PM (#20422484)
> They use apps on their Linux phones

Somehow I doubt Android is what Linux Desktop evangelists imagined. At best this is moving the goal posts significantly.

> or happily use any OS that runs a browser since everything is web based today.

Apparently that doesn't include Linux, despite it being free, not having invasive telemetry, and not having ads in the application launcher.

> Oh and for gaming there is consoles of course, which crushes the PC gaming market in pretty much any discipline.

And yet Steam is a ridiculously huge money maker and people are buying more PC games than ever.

> The only people remaining dependent on desktops (or laptops) will be office workers

Incorrect, but let's entertain your fantasies anyway.

> I'm pretty sure they don't care about DirectX so much, so replacing those with Linux seems very doable

Then why hasn't it happened? You think companies like paying licensing fees to Microsoft?

Consider that there are good reasons people do not use Linux Desktop instead of just assuming they're all idiots.

Re:Anomalous CPU utilization on Windows build node caused by... by iforgotpassword on Friday July 12, 2019 @02:19PM (#20423032)
> Somehow I doubt Android is what Linux Desktop evangelists imagined.

You must be confusing Android with a desktop OS. It's mobile so they don't fall into the desktop category at all. Which was exactly my point: they simply don't need a desktop OS anymore.

> Apparently that doesn't include Linux

That reads like you're looking at some statistics that show that 0% of desktop users run Linux. Care pointing to it?

> And yet Steam is a ridiculously huge money maker and people are buying more PC games than ever.

So? It's completely overshadowed by the console market, not even including mobile games here.

> Then why hasn't it happened? You think companies like paying licensing fees to Microsoft?

You're asking why it hasn't happened yet in reply to me using future tense.

But let's put aside that pretty much everything you said was deliberately besides the point. Why it hasn't happened yet is pretty simple. Companies weigh the cost of switching vs. The cost of just keep paying for Windows (so no changes, no initial setup cost, no training, ...). That's gonna be cheaper for quite some time but eventually everything will be in the cloud so there is less and less reason to keep up a huge and complicated windows domain network with software rollout and other brain damage. You might keep a basic AD in place for user management that the web services talk to but that's it. Funnily enough my current and previous employer is still on win 7 because of the frequent messups you read about regarding 10, and how even in a corporate environment it's near impossible to disable all telemetry. I'm curious what they'll do at 7's EOL.

As for the average home desktop user, you're not seriously expecting your mom to go ahead and download and install Ubuntu are you? As long as most OEMs still exclusively sell machines with Windows preinstalled, there really shouldn't be anything surprising about the fact that most people use Windows. We already see some of the larger ones offering machines with Linux though, and with the desktop keeping to lose relevance and everything moving to the web I wouldn't be surprised to see this getting more prevalent over the next decade if Microsoft doesn't get their act together regarding Windows. It currently looks like they're cutting costs in that department, normal users seem to get the beta versions now so they could cut down their QA.

Re:Anomalous CPU utilization on Windows build node caused by... by AnIdiotOnTheNet on Friday July 12, 2019 @02:41PM (#20423222)
Alright, ignoring everything else, here's what you said:

> Seems to me that DirectX is the last remaining barrier to finally getting the majority of the Windows user base to migrate to Linux.

To which my point was simply "you are very wrong". As far as I can tell, you agree that there are a lot more barriers to moving to Linux from Windows than just DirectX (again, if that were true why haven't office workers moved? Oh yeah, lots of other reasons!).

So what exactly is the point you're trying to make?

Re:Anomalous CPU utilization on Windows build node caused by... by iforgotpassword on Friday July 12, 2019 @03:16PM (#20423545)
The point I'm trying to make is that the desktop will continue to lose relevance, while web based apps become prevalent. To a point where it's not "this doesn't run on Linux" but rather "I'll use whatever is in reach" (since all you need is Chrome), which as of now happens to be Windows mostly. So it's shifting from Linux being unable to serve your needs to it simply not being the default, or not being what people are used to. Which is something that shouldn't be underestimated when trying to predict how things are going to play out in the long run.

Obviously there's gonna be special software in certain fields that's going to be around for quite a while, like the pharma example from this other reply, but even there the point was rather that upgrading from the XP version is too expensive....

And ultimately the question is at which point maintaining or even improving Windows becomes economically unfeasible. With Windows 10 being "the final Windows" there was already a big shift in paradigm. Microsoft is very busy expanding in the cloud/SaaS business, so it's not like they don't see how Windows might lose relevance over time. This in turn sends signals to software vendors who still make software that requires desktop machines.

Re:Anomalous CPU utilization on Windows build node caused by... by AnIdiotOnTheNet on Friday July 12, 2019 @03:28PM (#20423636)
> The point I'm trying to make is that the desktop will continue to lose relevance, while web based apps become prevalent. To a point where it's not "this doesn't run on Linux" but rather "I'll use whatever is in reach" (since all you need is Chrome), which as of now happens to be Windows mostly. So it's shifting from Linux being unable to serve your needs to it simply not being the default, or not being what people are used to. Which is something that shouldn't be underestimated when trying to predict how things are going to play out in the long run.

Ok, in this scenario, why would I choose Linux? Linux is literally irrelevant if "all you need is Chrome" (among the more dystopian futures I can imagine for computing, btw). Chrome is the platform then and everything is just a Chromebook. In this scenario no one reaches for Linux, they just buy some horrible proprietary locked down no-user-serviceable-parts thing like they do with phones and personal computing is declared dead.

I don't buy that that is true anyway. People have been predicting the death of desktop PCs for a long time too and it still hasn't happened. Cloud is just the latest in the thin-client/fat-client cycle of hyped up computer industry bullshit as far as I'm concerned.

Re:Anomalous CPU utilization on Windows build node caused by... by RHSeeger on Friday July 12, 2019 @01:30PM (#20422502)
> Oh and for gaming there is consoles of course, which crushes the PC gaming market in pretty much any discipline.

You're obviously not a PC gamer. The question of console vs PC is still widely debated, with no clear winner. At least to me, they both have their own uses. There are things that are much better on a console than a PC, and vice versa.

Re:Anomalous CPU utilization on Windows build node caused by... by Sohcahtoa82 on Friday July 12, 2019 @03:33PM (#20423681)
> The question of console vs PC is still widely debated, with no clear winner.

In terms of graphical computing power, there's no debate. All the current-gen consoles will get absolutely demolished by a 3-year-old mid-grade gaming computer.

The only things a console will beat a PC on is the upfront price of the machine (which ends up being meaningless as the console game stores don't have the killer sales Steam is known for) and exclusives. If you prefer a controller over mouse/keyboard, you can use a controller on a PC. If you prefer to game on a 50+ inch TV rather than a monitor, you can either plug your computer into your TV, or use a SteamLink, or get the SteamLink RPi app.

Re:Anomalous CPU utilization on Windows build node caused by... by bduerst on Friday July 12, 2019 @01:31PM (#20422514)
Gaming streaming is going to muddy that further. It won't replace consoles or pcs for gaming, but it will definitely create a third market for people with decent internet connections.
Re:Anomalous CPU utilization on Windows build node caused by... by iforgotpassword on Friday July 12, 2019 @02:24PM (#20423071)
Yes I see how I worded that wrong. I get how counter strike etc. Won't move to the console for serious e-sports any time soon. :-)
Re:Anomalous CPU utilization on Windows build node caused by... by jimmaswell on Friday July 12, 2019 @01:40PM (#20422611)
I bought a used Xbox One for the sole purpose of some exclusives and for multiplayer with a few people I know who use Xboxes. There are a few nice points like it being totally separate from the stuff going on on the PC but I'd have no reason to own it if it weren't for the two primary reasons I mentioned. It doesn't even support my new monitor's 1440p res apparently and there's no way I'm buying a new one just for that.

I'm hoping the rumors about Win10 eventually supporting all Xbox games natively are true.

Re:Anomalous CPU utilization on Windows build node caused by... by LarryDarrell on Friday July 12, 2019 @12:46PM (#20422091)
Play XBill and write manifestos with LaTeX?
Re:Anomalous CPU utilization on Windows build node caused by... by jenscow on Friday July 12, 2019 @12:46PM (#20422087)
Nothing. They moved to mobile instead
Re:Anomalous CPU utilization on Windows build node caused by... by freehunter on Friday July 12, 2019 @12:54PM (#20422174)
This is the correct answer. Even Ubuntu's famous bug #1 (Microsoft has a majority marketshare) was closed many years ago [1] as PC operating systems have declined in importance. Steve Jobs's comment about PCs being "trucks" has also come true. Almost all leisure computing has moved either to mobile devices (phones and tablets) and/or to the web (which overlaps mobile devices), making the OS less and less important. Gaming is about the only leisure activity left where desktop OS matters, but that's a relatively small marketshare comparatively.

[1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1/comments/1834

Re:Anomalous CPU utilization on Windows build node caused by... by AnIdiotOnTheNet on Friday July 12, 2019 @12:57PM (#20422214)
And yet, Linux Desktop still is not dominant, even only counting desktop computers. Hmm...
Re:Anomalous CPU utilization on Windows build node caused by... by snazz on Friday July 12, 2019 @01:07PM (#20422286)
As people use desktops less and less, they care less and less about what runs on them.
Re:Anomalous CPU utilization on Windows build node caused by... by belltaco on Friday July 12, 2019 @01:14PM (#20422355)
That narrative of the post-PC world collapsed when the sales of tablets like iPads collapsed.
Re:Anomalous CPU utilization on Windows build node caused by... by freehunter on Friday July 12, 2019 @01:28PM (#20422480)
Couple of things:

1) Tablets aren't the only "post-PC" platform. Most of the leisure computing is done on smartphones when it would have been done on a laptop or desktop 5-10 years ago.

2) If we're considering tablets to be PC replacements, we should expect their sales trends to be along the lines of PC sales. People keep PCs a lot longer than smartphones, so we should expect people to keep their iPads a lot longer than their phones too.

3) Tablet sales have absolutely not collapsed [1]

[1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/272595/global-shipments-...

Re:Anomalous CPU utilization on Windows build node caused by... by Razengan on Friday July 12, 2019 @01:33PM (#20422531)
From what I could tell, iPads are the only tablets still going strong and getting even better. It’s Google who threw in the towel on tablets.

See the recently revealed iPadOS: https://www.apple.com/ipados/ipados-preview/

Re:Anomalous CPU utilization on Windows build node caused by... by jchw on Friday July 12, 2019 @12:45PM (#20422082)
Along with everything else that could be said about this, I don’t think that is even a major problem. Everything I’ve tried to run on Steam Proton runs at 60 FPS with highest settings. My guess is that Vulkan has enabled much better Direct3D emulation.

(Of course, I don’t play much and I didn’t bother to benchmark. It probably is still worse than native in many cases. But hey, glitch free and fast enough for me. Was very surprised to see games with Denuvo running great.)