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Re:Google employees are listening to Google Home conversations by basch on Wednesday July 10, 2019 @06:28PM (#20407261)
Theres a mute button on the echo. You can turn voice off just the same as you can on a phone.
Re:Google employees are listening to Google Home conversations by pdonis on Wednesday July 10, 2019 @08:03PM (#20407870)
> Theres a mute button on the echo.

Which defeats the whole purpose of having it, namely, to respond to voice commands.

> You can turn voice off just the same as you can on a phone.

I don't have to turn off voice altogether on my phone, I just have to turn off the apps that I don't trust. On an Echo, either I turn it off and might as well not have it, or I turn it on and it's recording everything. There's no middle ground where I get some basic functionality without being spied on.

Re:Google employees are listening to Google Home conversations by tzs on Thursday July 11, 2019 @01:41AM (#20409384)
> On an Echo, either I turn it off and might as well not have it, or I turn it on and it's recording everything. There's no middle ground where I get some basic functionality without being spied on.

I'd guess that most people could effectively find a middle ground by treating the Echo as if it were someone in a cordial but not really friends relationship with a family member, such as a classmate of one of you kids over to discuss a school project, or a member of your spouse's church over to discuss planning the annual church picnic.

If they are doing things that they would not mind such a person overhearing, have the Echo on. If they are doing things that they would not do until such a person leaves, have the Echo off.

It would be interesting to give these home voice assistants faces, including eyes that look at and track people it is listening to when they speak, to help people remember that it is still listening to them. That might make it easier to remember to turn it off before discussing sensitive things in its presence.

Re:Google employees are listening to Google Home conversations by TeMPOraL on Thursday July 11, 2019 @06:10AM (#20410400)
The analogy you make is helpful, but it immediately brings attention to one thing: you generally don' invite "someone in a cordial but not really friends relationship with a family member" to stay with you all the time, day and night. People you do let stay with you are people whom you either trust, or expect to trust as the relationship develops. There's no relationship development with an Echo - it's forever an agent of a faceless corporation that's indifferent to you.
Re:Google employees are listening to Google Home conversations by taneq on Wednesday July 10, 2019 @09:12PM (#20408247)
There's also the perma-mute button which you can activate by not buying one in the first place.
Re:Google employees are listening to Google Home conversations by mattrp on Thursday July 11, 2019 @01:29AM (#20409346)
My kids left Alexa outside over a rainy weekend. Cest la vie!
Re:Google employees are listening to Google Home conversations by michaelmrose on Wednesday July 10, 2019 @06:44PM (#20407368)
Turns out the NSA has an implant for smart tvs that among its features is keeping the tv on and recording you while turning the indicator light that indicates its on status off.

You don't own the device despite paying for it. It updates itself when it feels like it and does whatever its actual owner says including compromising itself if told to.

Re:Google employees are listening to Google Home conversations by pnutjam on Wednesday July 10, 2019 @10:43PM (#20408704)
Not without internet.
Re:Google employees are listening to Google Home conversations by serf on Wednesday July 10, 2019 @11:15PM (#20408841)
my parents smart tv has over a gig of storage for apps.

i'd be really surprised if that couldn't act as an offline cache.

Re:Google employees are listening to Google Home conversations by pnutjam on Thursday July 11, 2019 @03:36PM (#20414899)
still needs internet to fill that cache, don't use the smart tv part, or whitelist it at the router.