Re:Bladder cancer 'attacked and killed by common cold virus'
by Tharkun on Friday July 05, 2019 @01:43PM
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Got any evidence to back up those bold claims? People die from high fevers. People with compromised immune systems can get killed by the common cold. People die without food or protein. And what even is acid-forming food?
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Re:Bladder cancer 'attacked and killed by common cold virus'
by kingkawn on Friday July 05, 2019 @02:50PM
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4703655/#!po=1....
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4869589/#!po=0....
I could go on...
The original commenter is encountering a lot of negative reaction because of his reliance on new age language to make his points in this community that hews strenuously to a concept of scientific methodology, but nonetheless he is correct that fever is mostly a protective adaptation that decreases infection mortality rates. Obviously there are temps above which fever can be damaging, so a complete abdication of intervention is not the way, but allowing fever for the most part to do its thing is helpful according to decades of mainstream medical research since the 80s.
Re:Bladder cancer 'attacked and killed by common cold virus'
by SketchySeaBeast on Friday July 05, 2019 @04:04PM
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While that does address the fever, the original commenter makes a lot of other claims which are absolutely without merit.
Re:Bladder cancer 'attacked and killed by common cold virus'
by kingkawn on Friday July 05, 2019 @05:53PM
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I haven’t investigated those claims so have no opinion of their merit. Even science begins with the urge to look where we have not yet thought to do so. To dismiss another with vitriol is anti scientific, even if their intent is not scientific.
Re:Bladder cancer 'attacked and killed by common cold virus'
by SketchySeaBeast on Friday July 05, 2019 @06:12PM
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I'm not about to just be neutral on everything until they are proven false - if there is a claim for which I have no personal evidence and no evidence is provided, and my understanding of the world, based upon previous evidence, suggests that those items are wrong, I'm rejecting that assumption with extreme prejudice until sufficient evidence is provided. And as always, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Re:Bladder cancer 'attacked and killed by common cold virus'
by kingkawn on Monday July 08, 2019 @09:43AM
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Your cultural expression of truth is not justification to socially lash out at others. Whether in the name of science, god, or some other ideal, the act is violent.
Re:Bladder cancer 'attacked and killed by common cold virus'
by SketchySeaBeast on Monday July 08, 2019 @09:54AM
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That's stretching the definition of violence to uselessness - by utilizing the term as such you're basically watering it mean very little, and to hold no weight in the accusation.
Re:Bladder cancer 'attacked and killed by common cold virus'
by tempestn on Friday July 05, 2019 @04:25PM
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Yes, fevers can be beneficial as long as they don't get too high. I'm not aware of any evidence that "getting a cold is a great thing" though, unless maybe you have bladder cancer...
Re:Bladder cancer 'attacked and killed by common cold virus'
by kingkawn on Friday July 05, 2019 @05:52PM
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I think the commenter was conflating the symptoms and the infection. They were saying that the symptoms are the beneficial signs of the body actively fighting infection.
Re:Bladder cancer 'attacked and killed by common cold virus'
by pilsetnieks on Friday July 05, 2019 @02:11PM
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There's this fad diet, known as the pH diet, that's based in the assumption that people's bodies have a certain pH level and most ills are caused by this pH level being out of whack. So, naturally, it follows that acid = bad and alkaline = good (don't ask.)
Re:Bladder cancer 'attacked and killed by common cold virus'
by SketchySeaBeast on Friday July 05, 2019 @02:34PM
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That so bizarre - our bodies literally regulate ourselves to within 0.1 pH, and have 3 different mechanisms of maintaining it - why would we need or want to have a diet to adjust that? I know, you're just the messenger, and don't believe in it.
Re:Bladder cancer 'attacked and killed by common cold virus'
by kortex on Friday July 05, 2019 @04:20PM
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It started with the (vaguely somewhat plausible) notion of the acid ash hypothesis. Foods when fully oxidized can have a more acidic or basic ash, depending on the constituent elements. Phosphor and sulfur oxidize to the phosphate and sulfate anions, which are acidic, while calcium, magnesium, sodium, and potassium cations form hydroxides/carbonates. The theory goes that to maintain buffered pH, the body has to cations from somewhere, leaching it from bones.
Nowadays we know that most pH regulation is done with carbonate/bicarbonate via respiration, with ion transport managing electrolytes.
The alkaline diet has devolved to just throwing "bad" foods in the acidic bucket and "good" foods in basic, irrespective of chemistry:
https://waterforlifeusa.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/alkal...
Re:Bladder cancer 'attacked and killed by common cold virus'
by jschwartzi on Friday July 05, 2019 @02:46PM
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That's bizarre. Do they dose themselves with CO2 to manage their body's alkaline pH then?
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Re:Bladder cancer 'attacked and killed by common cold virus'
by SketchySeaBeast on Friday July 05, 2019 @02:38PM
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I can't help but notice that all those videos are just one random crazy talking to a camera.
He also has videos featuring "High Vibration" foods for "spiritual health".