Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

Re:Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook by iamben on Thursday July 04, 2019 @10:20AM (#20354837)

I'm still using my MBA from mid 2013. It's a wonderful thing. Battery is "replace soon" but it's mostly plugged in. It's battered and bruised, but still fast enough. I've been debating a change for a while and figured at the start of the year I'd wait to see if they were going to ditch the bf keyboard if they release a new MBA. Super glad I waited, fingers crossed I get the same life out of the next one!

Say what you want about Apple and price, but I've had PCs since 1994 and the two Macs I've had have (usefully) outlasted every other machine by quite some margin - this one in particular. 6 years without formatting a Windows machine (I can't talk for now, but especially back then) would be crazy.

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Re:Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook by gambiting on Thursday July 04, 2019 @12:47PM (#20355993)

I have a 2009 MacBook Pro (Core2Duo + 4GB of ram), I've added an SSD years ago, and it runs absolutely fine, I use it almost daily to browse the web. Even the battery still works(only for about an hour, but it does).

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Re:Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook by miles on Thursday July 04, 2019 @02:01PM (#20356511)

> I have a 2009 MacBook Pro (Core2Duo + 4GB of ram), I've added an SSD years ago, and it runs absolutely fine, I use it almost daily to browse the web. ... the updates stopped at El Capitan unfortunately. ... I'm not that bothered.

You might want to consider running Manjaro[0] or Haiku[1] instead (I've had great luck with both on older MacBooks [2,3]).

Nessus reports El Capitan as a "Critical" vulnerability due to lack of security updates:

According to its self-reported version number, the Unix operating system running on the remote host is no longer supported.

Lack of support implies that no new security patches for the product will be released by the vendor. As a result, it is likely to contain security vulnerabilities.

...

Mac OS X 10.11.6 (intel) support ended.

Upgrade to Mac OS X 10.14 / 10.13 / 10.12.

[0] https://manjaro.org

[1] https://www.haiku-os.org

[2] https://tinyapps.org/blog/201811010700_linux_for_2009_macboo...

[3] https://tinyapps.org/docs/haiku/

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Re:Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook by gambiting on Thursday July 04, 2019 @03:01PM (#20356929)

Sure, but it's a laptop to look up some kitchen recipes, watch YouTube and use facetime occasionally. If it has security vulnerabilities I'm genuinely not bothered - any minute spent installing another system is a minute just not worth it for me.

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Re:Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook by wila on Thursday July 04, 2019 @04:14PM (#20357400)

Which is fine if you keep that laptop in its own isolated network. Otherwise it might end up being used for gaining access to other machines in your network.

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Re:Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook by tomxor on Thursday July 04, 2019 @05:23PM (#20357932)

i've got a 2008 MBP, these are great Linux machines unlike the latest macs. Very well supported hardware. Only issue I had was the custom gmux chip but it only takes a few lines of c to make a switch.

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Re:Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook by scarface74 on Thursday July 04, 2019 @01:06PM (#20356117)

I gave my old Core Duo Mac Mini - circa 2006 to my mom after putting Windows 7 and Office 2010 on it. She uses it when she tutors and doesn’t want anyone on her main computer. That computer don’t die.

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Re:Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook by t34543 on Thursday July 04, 2019 @01:23PM (#20356236)

Can you still get OS updates? I thought mid-2010+ was needed.

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Re:Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook by gambiting on Thursday July 04, 2019 @01:33PM (#20356301)

No, the updates stopped at El Capitan unfortunately. There is a way to force it to update to Mojave but I think couple hardware bits stop working(....camera?) and I'm not that bothered.

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Re:Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook by t34543 on Thursday July 04, 2019 @03:52PM (#20357242)

Staying at latest patch levels are more about security vs features.

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Re:Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook by gambiting on Thursday July 04, 2019 @04:15PM (#20357406)

Don't get me wrong, I don't disagree. I just don't think it's worth my time to update it to watch YouTube and open BBC Good Food from time to time. The laptop never leaves the house, my assumption is that the attack surface for it is literally zero.

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Re:Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook by aloukissas on Thursday July 04, 2019 @10:34AM (#20354959)

Best era ever, have the same one. For ~120 bucks you can get a fresh battery, too.

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Re:Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook by iamben on Thursday July 04, 2019 @11:22AM (#20355330)

If I could upgrade the SSD for about the same, I'd probably just keep using this until it died. Alas, upgrading that is a bit of a faff.

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Re:Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook by twoheadedboy on Thursday July 04, 2019 @11:35AM (#20355436)

I have a mid 2013 Air as well (and I recently replaced the battery for $100, it’s great and you should too), but I’d attribute the long life to simply the SSD and the software rather than anything else.

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Re:Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook by gurkendoktor on Thursday July 04, 2019 @02:25PM (#20356700)

I think not having a dedicated GPU helps a lot too. Less heat, and one major component less that can break. In my small set of anecdata, consumer Macs outlive their Pro counterparts.

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Re:Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook by acranox on Thursday July 04, 2019 @02:59PM (#20356918)

FWIW, you can get a replacement battery for these for under $100. https://www.ifixit.com/Store/Mac

It's not super easy to replace, but if you're comfortable with a screw driver, it shouldn't pose much of a challenge, and the instruction from ifixit are great.

I'm still holding tight to my 2012 MBP, but it's got a replacement battery, and a roomier SSD to breathe some new life into it.

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Re:Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook by ralphc on Thursday July 04, 2019 @06:38PM (#20358359)

If you're not comfortable doing it yourself, the Batteries + Bulbs stores have computer services & will do it for you (for a fee of course)

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Re:Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook by ycombonator on Thursday July 04, 2019 @04:14PM (#20357393)

I am in a similar situation as you. Have a Mid 2012 MBA. Works fantastic. Also Catalina beta seems to have sped the system performance immensely. Always plugged in because of the battery.

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Re:Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook by gwilkes on Thursday July 04, 2019 @08:02PM (#20358828)

Recently replaced my 2012 MBA battery, the batteries are quite cheap and the replacement is surprisingly quick and easy on this model. About a five minute job, you can buy the battery with the needed tools here: https://www.ifixit.com/Store/Mac/MacBook-Air-13-Inch-Late-20...

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Re:Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook by ycombonator on Thursday July 04, 2019 @11:43PM (#20359673)

Sweet. Thanks for the tip.

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