Re:Waymo gets green light in California to pick up passenger...
by judge2020 on Wednesday July 03, 2019 @11:03PM
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> The desire to hold some entity legally responsible for any accidents seems to be the key problem.
Kind of off-topic, but do these minivans have insurance policies? Or is there some Alphabet subsidiary that allows them to act as insurance for themselves?
If they do basically insure themselves, they will already be paying out insurance whenever their AI fails to follow/obey laws, so the only issue with placing blame is in the public/media's eye.
Re:Waymo gets green light in California to pick up passenger...
by luckydata on Wednesday July 03, 2019 @08:11PM
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There is already a pretty good framework that can be used: airline regulation.
Re:Waymo gets green light in California to pick up passenger...
by otakucode on Thursday July 04, 2019 @05:26AM
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Companies which produce aircraft must hire licensed engineers to do the design and implementation work. AVs are almost all software. Licensed software engineers do not exist. While there are regulations and standards for every other form of engineering, there is nothing for software. And courts have recognized this. They have stated that companies can not be found criminally negligent regardless of their practices because there are no standards which they are failing to adhere to.
Re:Waymo gets green light in California to pick up passenger...
by anticensor on Friday July 05, 2019 @01:16AM
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May making MISRA guidelines an international standard, namely International Standard for Programming Practices in Safety-Critical Environments, solve this?
Re:Waymo gets green light in California to pick up passenger...
by LoSboccacc on Thursday July 04, 2019 @06:14AM
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> about punishing the responsible party.
minor nitpick but it's about from which pocked compensation comes out, not really punishment.
> I hope we can view these incidents in context.
The desire to hold some entity legally responsible for any accidents seems to be the key problem. That problem is really about punishing the responsible party. If someone dies because of an irresponsible driver, the outcomes of the case are always some sort combination of punishments: fines, incarceration, suspensions, etc.
Proposed Solution:
Legislation can easily be passed that provides clear guidelines about how these errors of judgement in computing systems can be punished. For example:
In situations of death, $X is paid to the victim's family, $Y is paid to the federal government, the company's automated vehicle manufacture license is suspended until federal review, etc.
Then, its a simple matter of getting humans to sign to agree that they will accept these terms.