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Re:Fuchsia Developers Website by DSingularity on Saturday June 29, 2019 @08:12AM (#20312132)

It’s also possible that he formed his opinion based on the context of 20 years ago which has since changed into the reality we have today...

Discourses become much nicer when we don’t make/take such explicitly negative angles which are rife with hostile undertones.

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Re:Fuchsia Developers Website by sk0g on Saturday June 29, 2019 @09:27AM (#20312433)

"Kernel written in C++... The horror."

What kind of discourse is that leading to? It's just an unqualified, unsubstantiated attack on serious work undertaken by presumably top quality engineers.

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Re:Fuchsia Developers Website by dodobirdlord on Saturday June 29, 2019 @12:37PM (#20313461)

In fairness though, it's kinda the stance taken by top quality engineers themselves when faced with the prospect of writing a kernel in C++.

The Google C++ style guide is pretty rigid, and is pretty upfront about the fact that the rigidity is in the interest of not allowing Google C++ projects to devolve into the mess that consumes most large C++ projects.[0]

Linus Torvalds has in the past said some pretty unkind things about the idea of doing kernel development in C++.[1]

Finally, Fuchsia's kernel Zircon is a microkernel. The engineers involved have elected not to attempt to write a monolithic kernel in C++ probably in part for the reasons that Torvalds described. Things like filesystems, drivers, and the networking stack are outside of the Zircon kernel in the Garnet layer and are implemented in languages like Rust (filesystems, drivers) and Go (the networking stack).

[0]https://google.github.io/styleguide/cppguide.html [1]http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/c++/linus

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Re:Fuchsia Developers Website by pjmlp on Saturday June 29, 2019 @01:01PM (#20313586)

Plenty of top quality engineers write kernel code in C++ every day.

His baby would be nowhere without the contribution of the likes of IBM, Compaq, Oracle and many other nameless contributors.

Linus opinion is his opinion, that is all.

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Re:Fuchsia Developers Website by z3phyr on Sunday June 30, 2019 @02:29AM (#20316697)

@pjmlp I am going to hijack this and ask you somewhat off topic question:

Most of the OS books teach in a very Unix centered way. Can you recommend some books or resources which describe non-C non-Unixy Operating Systems? I really liked the Blue Book of Smalltalk, and looking for more!

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Re:Fuchsia Developers Website by pjmlp on Sunday June 30, 2019 @05:43AM (#20317304)

Sure.

- MacOS (pre-OS X)

"Revolution in the Valley"

https://www.amazon.com/Revolution-Valley-Insanely-Great-Stor...

http://basalgangster.macgui.com/RetroMacComputing/The_Long_V...

- NeXTSTEP / Mac OS X

Debatable about non-C non-Unixy part, but it surely isn't the focus of the whole stack.

"Mac OS X Internals: A Systems Approach"

https://www.amazon.com/Mac-OS-Internals-Approach-paperback/d...

http://www.nextop.de/NeXTstep_3.3_Developer_Documentation/