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Re:“The books will stop working.” by tolmasky on Thursday June 27, 2019 @04:34PM (#20298434)
If we merely had the same copyright we had when the country first formed, this entire "your books turn off thing" would possibly be completely acceptable: a subset of works would be onerous and somewhat annoying for 28 years, after which you could literally do whatever you want with them. Key here is that this means that within your lifetime this would quite possibly be the case. This also means that a very large variety of still-somewhat-recent works would be public domain, and thus creating tools to read them would be profitable. Right now, a "public domain" Kindle would be for what, works that are over a hundred years old or something? Few people will ever encounter public domain works they want to read so it's as if everything fits the rent model.

The crazy thing is that everything is more amenable to "sharing" today, it is merely legal structure that prevents it now. Arguably the true utility of a library is that it would be (or would have been) absurd to duplicate a physical book for every person that wants it, and then when no one was actively reading them they'd take up a crazy amount of space. This is still true today! This world should be strictly better than the past. But instead we have nostalgia for libraries, not due to any essential reason, but because we've created an artificial environment where it is more appealing to potentially wait for a copy of something to become available vs. instantly duplicating it.

Re:“The books will stop working.” by sjy on Thursday June 27, 2019 @05:44PM (#20299137)
It could be longer than 100 years. I recently tried to find a copy of an article published in 1932. I can't find any version online and the nearest print version is in a library 1,000 km away. I asked the library if they could scan it and email it to me and they said no, it's still covered by copyright. This work was published early in the author's life; she died in 1983. So the Berne Convention would protect this work for 101 years after publication, and the domestic copyright will last for 121 years. I will be in my 60s before the copyright expires on a work published when my grandfather was born.
Re:“The books will stop working.” by dredmorbius on Thursday June 27, 2019 @08:08PM (#20300235)
Similarly, works published in 1935 & 1941. For at least one, nearest copy is 1000km away.

They should be out of copyright by now. They are not.

Re:“The books will stop working.” by lloeki on Thursday June 27, 2019 @06:40PM (#20299600)
Well I can’t even read my own research paper (lost my tex source and final digital copy when both hard drive and backup drive failed within the same hour). I know for a fact that it is archived and basically exactly where but it’s beyond either one of an abusive layer of bureaucracy or a paywall, whichever I would choose to go through. Not that it’s worthy of anything or even remotely interesting but it tells a lot about the absurdity of it all.
Re:“The books will stop working.” by quickthrower2 on Thursday June 27, 2019 @09:08PM (#20300605)
Count yourself lucky. Most of us developers cant even read the code we wrote in a professional setting once we leave a company.
Re:“The books will stop working.” by loup-vaillant on Friday June 28, 2019 @07:42AM (#20303313)
This idea that the original authors of the source code don't have any right to that source code (they're not even listed as authors most of the time), seems like a contradiction. If copyright is so important, why is it so easily stripped from its authors in some fields?

It makes more sense when you understand that copyright was hardly ever about protecting authors, but about protecting the interests of the more powerful middlemen.

Re:“The books will stop working.” by quickthrower2 on Friday June 28, 2019 @06:16PM (#20309215)
I think it fits in with the general idea of factories where you work for a salary and the work product you produce isn’t something you can take away. The problem with words or code is they are easy to copy, so one could easily make a copy and take it away. I guess that’s why they make you sign away the copyright
Re:“The books will stop working.” by loup-vaillant on Friday June 28, 2019 @08:55PM (#20310075)
The factory analogy is pretty good. Profit doesn't really goes to the workers, it goes to the owners. And one critical property of capitalism is that owners and workers aren't the same people at all.

Having programmers sign off their copyright has the same effect as classical capitalism: it separates whoever owns the code from whoever works on it. The owners can then enjoy the full royalties, while the programmers are limited to their salaries —just like the factory workers.

Factory workers could walk away with the fruits of their labour, if only they owned the factory. Programmers could walk away with the fruits of their labour, if only they retained the rights to them. And in my opinion, they both should. The means of production should be owned by the workers, not the capitalists.

If on the other hand you agree with capitalism, it makes perfect sense to have programmers sign away their rights.

Re:“The books will stop working.” by romwell on Thursday June 27, 2019 @07:31PM (#20299992)
Can you get it off SciHub?
Re:“The books will stop working.” by tomsmeding on Friday June 28, 2019 @01:52AM (#20301814)
> when both hard drive and backup drive failed within the same hour

That is basically the horror scenario of backup'ing, since you don't usually protect against that kind of failure: the probability of it happening just seems too low. It's similar to having a limit to your attack model when securing your data/accounts/... against attacks: you can try to protect against a governmentally funded cyber attack on you personally, but you probably won't succeed and it's very surely not worth the trouble if you're not a very influential or otherwise important person.

In this case, the usual retort would of course be "why didn't you have a backup in 'the cloud'?" I have for part of my stuff, but not for all. I feel you.

Re:“The books will stop working.” by lloeki on Friday June 28, 2019 @04:13AM (#20302381)
Turns out this guys was right:

https://www.jwz.org/doc/backups.html

Re:“The books will stop working.” by serf on Friday June 28, 2019 @05:00AM (#20302612)
NSFW:

FYI if you click that link and the referrer is hacker news it redirects you to a nice picture of a testicle in a cup, first thing in the morning.

(it redirects to : https://imgur.com/32R3qLv )

The link is fine, just don't click it from here -- well, unless cup-testicles are your bag. Pun intended.

Re:“The books will stop working.” by lloeki on Friday June 28, 2019 @06:37AM (#20303019)
I knew about that and tried beforehand to see if I needed to put a warning, but it doesn't trigger anymore for me so I thought this article was exempt, or he removed it. Maybe it's Safari that properly strips the referer.
Re:“The books will stop working.” by loup-vaillant on Friday June 28, 2019 @07:45AM (#20303331)
Firefox on Linux: no trigger either. Clicking was safe for me.
Re:“The books will stop working.” by Izkata on Wednesday July 03, 2019 @06:23PM (#20349528)
Firefox on Linux: I get the redirect every time.
Re:“The books will stop working.” by inflatableDodo on Friday June 28, 2019 @05:44AM (#20302793)
That is the best use of a referrer I think I have ever seen. Off to boil an egg now.
Re:“The books will stop working.” by modsiw on Thursday June 27, 2019 @08:06PM (#20300222)
I’m guessing an inter library loan wasn’t possible?

What are you looking for? There’s a decent chance someone here lives near a copy.

Re:“The books will stop working.” by sjy on Thursday June 27, 2019 @10:48PM (#20301069)
The article is Joan Robinson, 'Economics is a serious subject: the apologia of an economist to the mathematician, the scientist and the plain man' (1932). It's footnote 1 in Coase's 'The nature of the firm,' which I was prompted to read in more depth by a recent HN comment, so it's not an especially obscure document! The university library I spoke to does do inter-library loans, but I need to find a local library that will take one out for me. I haven't got around to doing that since I moved states 18 months ago, and I'm no longer affiliated with a local university. It's a pain, but something I probably would have resolved sooner if there weren't so many books digitised in the various proprietary databases!
Re:“The books will stop working.” by mullingitover on Thursday June 27, 2019 @04:58PM (#20298669)
> If we merely had the same copyright we had when the country first formed, this entire "your books turn off thing" would possibly be completely acceptable: a subset of works would be onerous and somewhat annoying for 28 years, after which you could literally do whatever you want with them

Also, the US didn't respect any other country's copyrights or patents so anything published outside the US would be free immediately.

Re:“The books will stop working.” by benj111 on Friday June 28, 2019 @03:39AM (#20302253)
Yes, I believe Charles Dickens was the first to near simultaneously publish in both the UK and US.

Cant imagine the US letting other countries get away with that now.

Re:“The books will stop working.” by foobar1962 on Friday June 28, 2019 @08:04AM (#20303411)
A story I heard about Dickens was him landing in the US and finding his latest book already in print there, unauthorised.
Re:“The books will stop working.” by benj111 on Friday June 28, 2019 @08:22AM (#20303502)
That's what I heard, so for his next book.....
Re:“The books will stop working.” by patmcc on Thursday June 27, 2019 @07:08PM (#20299814)
>>>a subset of works would be onerous and somewhat annoying for 28 years, after which you could literally do whatever you want with them.

Unfortunately, what would probably happen is more like what is happening to video games now; they are no longer profitable to publish, don't exist in an easy-to-backup, easy-to-share format (like an epub file with no DRM, for example), and so are essentially lost to time. If an ebook that no one can access is suddenly in the public domain, that doesn't help anyone one iota.

Re:“The books will stop working.” by nine_k on Thursday June 27, 2019 @08:19PM (#20300294)
The AAA-class games with a budget of a blockbuster movie? Well, I'm fine with them following the movie locked-up route.

New and original indie games? New Portal? New Monument Valley? Maybe even new Doom? I bet they would live with shorter copyright; Doom was released as free software much sooner than after 28 years.

Re:“The books will stop working.” by Marsymars on Friday June 28, 2019 @01:37AM (#20301768)
The Doom source code was released, the game itself (notably, the IWAD files) was never released as free software.
Re:“The books will stop working.” by benj111 on Friday June 28, 2019 @03:44AM (#20302274)
Surely then you want them in the public domain sooner to prevent that. Sourcing a 28 year old pc to read some 'ancient' format is workable. Finding a 100+ year old pc to do the same seems less workable.
Re:“The books will stop working.” by saagarjha on Thursday June 27, 2019 @10:26PM (#20300983)
I thought all the console games get dumped so they can be emulated?
Re:“The books will stop working.” by gordaco on Thursday June 27, 2019 @11:06PM (#20301151)
If/when Stadia and the like take off, and streaming-only games appear, we can forget about that too.

By the way, this is just one of the many reasons why I think that streamed games are very much an anti-consumer move and should not be paid for in any circumstance, to prevent normalization.

Re:“The books will stop working.” by TeMPOraL on Friday June 28, 2019 @03:13AM (#20302157)
That could easily be extended to "streamed media" in general - or, more accurately, Media as a Service. Going further, Software as a Service - or at least the part that falls under FSF's "Service as a Software Substitute" (SaaSS) - is an anti-consumer move too. Related, the trend of tying physical products to Internet services in a blatant attempt to turn ownership into renting is a hugely popular and a hugely anti-consumer practice too.
Re:“The books will stop working.” by fwn on Friday June 28, 2019 @06:32AM (#20302993)
Some anecdata to counter that idea: A significant part of German movie piracy is done through streaming as it allows the uploaders to monetize through ads.

Piracy as a service, so to say.

Re:“The books will stop working.” by TeMPOraL on Friday June 28, 2019 @09:52AM (#20304257)
Hm, interesting. I always assumed people making money on these streaming services (through both ads and premium accounts) aren't the same people as those who upload movies to them (actually, to somewhere else; these services now aggregate links to players, mostly).

I believe they're more popular than Torrents because they shield from responsibility. At least over here at Poland, your legal problems only start when you're actually infringing copyright - reproducing the work, i.e. uploading - which makes Torrents risky, but HTTP streaming fully in the clear for the viewers.

Re:“The books will stop working.” by dillonmckay on Friday June 28, 2019 @09:12AM (#20303896)
I’ll lease you a thinclient for 2 years.
Re:“The books will stop working.” by whenchamenia on Thursday June 27, 2019 @08:33PM (#20300378)
You can thank Disneys lawyers and lobbyists.