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Re:Show HN: A Firefox extension to leave comments on any URL by floatingatoll on Thursday June 27, 2019 @03:50PM (#20297937)
Is solving this "basic problem" ethical?

The implied assumption here is that it's a "basic problem" that most sites do not have a readily-discoverable public commentary board.

Sites such as Reddit, HN, and Facebook are popular, readily-discoverable public commentary boards about other sites. This much is true. However, it is incorrect to say that the absence of this is a "basic problem" as stated above. Given the past few years* of events and discoveries about the human impacts of these public comment boards, it may be that we incorrectly solved a "problem" that turned out to be a feature keeping humanity from harming itself with its own speech.

* three examples, cited by paraphrase: "speech encouraging harm to others"; "coordinated worldwide attacks upon individuals"; "like counts may do psychological harm"

Re:Show HN: A Firefox extension to leave comments on any URL by comntr on Friday June 28, 2019 @12:12AM (#20301409)
No, I agree that this problem has to be solved before this idea can hope to get wide adoption. Mr A posts something really evil on Mr B's facebook page. What happens next? Mr B files a complaint to facebook. Since this is a legal matter, the complaint gets escalated to the top. FB realises that this is out of their control and proceeds with a complaint to FBI. Now what if the data server with that comment is hosted outside the US? Right, the browsers will quickly ban this extension. However the owner of the extension can also change the default data server url in the config and the comment will be gone.

However I think that this hypothetical scenario will never happen because the idea will never reach this wide adoption. It'll inevitably be fragmented into a few segments with rules and moderation. Want comments from the theoretical physicist community? Subscribe to sci.data.org in your extension config. Want to know what 4chan folks think? Add unfiltered.comments.com to your config - it'll be an unreadable mess anyway and you'll need to make some non-trivial effort to add that url.

But I think there will be an archive with all the comments for research purposes: physically, it will be a big data server that keeps connections with all other data servers and pulls all the comments it can.

Re:Show HN: A Firefox extension to leave comments on any URL by kazinator on Friday June 28, 2019 @02:05AM (#20301875)
> Right, the browsers will quickly ban this extension.

How is an open source browser going to ban an extension that throngs of people want?

Re:Show HN: A Firefox extension to leave comments on any URL by comntr on Friday June 28, 2019 @11:20PM (#20310626)
Easily. Open source merely means that the source can be seen by anyone. It doesn't mean that readers of the source have any say in how to run the browser.
Re:Show HN: A Firefox extension to leave comments on any URL by closeparen on Sunday June 30, 2019 @12:30PM (#20318982)
It means a user can comment out the parts they don’t like and publish their fork for like minded users to switch to.
Re:Show HN: A Firefox extension to leave comments on any URL by brokenmachine on Thursday June 27, 2019 @09:25PM (#20300696)
The printing press has also been nothing but trouble.
Re:Show HN: A Firefox extension to leave comments on any URL by floatingatoll on Thursday June 27, 2019 @09:30PM (#20300723)
The printing press has nothing inherently to do with worldwide instantaneous coordinated global same-day information sharing. A better analogy here would have been the telegraph, as that would at least serve as evidence on its own a rudimentary connection to whatever pithy point you’re trying to make with this reply. Unfortunately, your chosen example does not connect the dots so readily. Please clarify?
Re:Show HN: A Firefox extension to leave comments on any URL by brokenmachine on Thursday June 27, 2019 @11:41PM (#20301294)
>it may be that we incorrectly solved a "problem" that turned out to be a feature keeping humanity from harming itself with its own speech

OK. Explaining ruins the humor but I'll explain.

The pithy point I was making is that a bunch of words on a comment thread is not likely to harm humanity any more than the printing press did.

Or the writing on a toilet stall wall for that matter, now that I think about it.

The larger point I was alluding to is that the people who would call for the banning of text from a printing press are probably the people we should really be worried about.

Re:Show HN: A Firefox extension to leave comments on any URL by floatingatoll on Saturday June 29, 2019 @03:31PM (#20314312)
Should anyone be permitted to skywrite anything they want on the sky?

Free speech says “yes”, but if you find a way to stably write sentences on the sky, you will quickly discover that the majority of people do not agree that free speech applies to writing in the sky.

There’s a nuance that we as tech haven’t explored properly between “you have the right to speak unhindered by the government” and “you have the right to impose your speech upon an unwilling audience”, which relates to why street speech generally can’t use PAs or bullhorns without triggering a local government response. Similarly, this is why coordinated protests must be super careful to block their rowdier elements.

Setting up a system of global commentary that “grafts”, “appends”, “overlays”, “applies” a collection of third-party uncontrolled speech onto a non-consenting website — so, literally, the addon linked by this post — could very well be considered “coordinating and imposing your speech on an unwilling audience”. This, then, is the ethical and social policy question.

Does this addon hinder free speech by encouraging and enabling unwanted, uncontrolled speech to be inserted into - using DOM overlays or browser sidebars - someone else’s controlled private forum?

For whatever reason, tech in general seems absolutely terrified to consider this question. I suspect that’s partly because it is a nuanced consideration that violates two popular tech precepts:

1) “uncontrolled speech is an inalienable right”

2) “anything that can be done technically must be permitted to be done”

Neither of those principles is true in general society, and so I hope someday tech confronts this dissonance and resolves it - rather than simply pretending that “this addon isn’t illegal” is sufficient to defend ignoring the wider ethical issues of its effects.

Re:Show HN: A Firefox extension to leave comments on any URL by brokenmachine on Sunday June 30, 2019 @07:56PM (#20321364)
It's a separate website that discusses content on another website. You have to explicitly opt-in by going to a separate site to read it.

It's ridiculous to consider that to be "imposing your speech on an unwilling audience".

Your sky writing argument is also ridiculous as the difference between sky writing and a website should be obvious. The internet is not the real world.

You are being illogical and I'm done explaining.

Re:Show HN: A Firefox extension to leave comments on any URL by kazinator on Friday June 28, 2019 @01:55AM (#20301833)
The basic problem is that sites that do have a commentary board control the content; they delete what they don't like.