That isn't the alternative. The alternative is people get in debt with each other, which is what happened historically. People simply didn't spot trade with their neighbors. The spot trade is a property of state created markets.
Re:Life is fractal, but markets are square
by nybble41 on Thursday June 27, 2019 @09:59PM
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Trading in debt isn't an alternative to markets, it's a market with debt as the currency. Regardless, the "spot trade" as you put it is also older than nation-states, not something they created.
I good book I suggest is Debt the First 5000 Years by David Graeber. It will blow your mind.
Re:Life is fractal, but markets are square
by nybble41 on Thursday July 11, 2019 @01:22AM
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I've seen it, and didn't find it very convincing. Graeber presents some interesting anecdotes regarding selected ancient social conventions, which may or may not be accurate[1], but—in my opinion—even taken at face value they don't really support his conclusions regarding the nature of debt. Perhaps the book would seem more compelling to someone who already shares the author's worldview.
[1] https://www.bradford-delong.com/2014/12/2014-11-24-mo-ann-le...
Both money and markets predate the nation-state.
Markets are just people trading with each other. You get that naturally in any society with a concept of private property. People participate in them because the alternative is producing everything themselves and no one has the necessary skills to produce everything they might want. Money similarly develops on its own once the market grows complex enough to make the barter system inconvenient and people begin to practice indirect exchange with small set of universally marketable goods rather than trading directly for items they intend to use themselves.