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Re:Two-thirds of American employees regret their college deg... by bradlys on Tuesday June 25, 2019 @05:37PM (#20279247)
> And it went against the guidance of my school counselors. They thought community college would hurt my chances at getting into "Prestigious Schools".

I mean, they're not wrong. You will statistically be less likely to get into those schools. Once you're a transfer student, your acceptance rates go down significantly for prestigious private colleges. (And some public universities too)

If your goal is to graduate from a top school, you're less likely to be accepted as a transfer student.

Re:Two-thirds of American employees regret their college deg... by nostrademons on Tuesday June 25, 2019 @07:51PM (#20280500)
You have the option of going as a normal student. If you do, top-tier colleges usually look at college and AP courses taken at other institutions as a bonus towards admission.

I went to Amherst College (#1 liberal arts college in the U.S. when I matriculated), having taken courses at Harvard Extension School, UMass Lowell, and Boston University as a high-schooler. They didn't give me credit for any of them, nor for the 8 AP tests I passed. However, I was told that they were a big plus on my otherwise-lackluster application. The fact that I could take and ace college courses at other institutions was a great way to nullify the fact that I was failing my high-school courses.

My sister did courses at Middlesex Community College (again, through the same MA dual-enrollment program that I used) and went to Rice University and my wife did courses at Foothill Community College (through CA's dual-enrollment program) and went to UC Berkeley, so not an isolated experience.

Re:Two-thirds of American employees regret their college deg... by junar on Tuesday June 25, 2019 @08:59PM (#20280925)
It depends on the school. Dual-enrollment often does not count as entering college to the eyes of admissions committees. However, if you enter in a full-time degree program, you may be required to apply as a transfer student.

http://admission.universityofcalifornia.edu/transfer/index.h...

> You're a transfer student if you enrolled in a regular session (fall, winter or spring) at a college or university after high school. (Taking a class or two during the summer term immediately following high school graduation doesn’t make you a transfer student.)

https://admission.stanford.edu/apply/transfer/credit.html

> Students who have enrolled either full-time or as a degree-seeking student after leaving high school or through an early college entrance program must apply for transfer admission.

Re:Two-thirds of American employees regret their college deg... by bradlys on Tuesday June 25, 2019 @08:25PM (#20280748)
I'm not saying it's impossible. I'm saying it's just less likely. The admissions statistics for these universities show that. After all, they really only admit transfer students to fill in for students who dropped out of their school. They base class size solely on the freshmen class.

In your case, I don't think you were applying as a transfer student. You were also not going to your local CC. Those universities are a higher tier than your local CC.

In the case of "running start" the whole premise is that you have 2 years of college completed when you graduate. Not that you spent 2 years doing college courses to just restart from level 1. You can do that but I think it's a waste of resources and will unnecessarily crowd local community colleges. And it did where I went to community college. I had to deal with a bunch of 14-17 year old high school age kids. >=25% of the student body was high schoolers with some of my classes at 50%+. Gets kind of annoying when you have to constantly deal with those kids still being kids.

Re:Two-thirds of American employees regret their college deg... by nostrademons on Tuesday June 25, 2019 @08:50PM (#20280883)
I wasn't applying as a transfer student, and I'm saying that it absolutely does make sense to restart from level 1 if you get into a high-tier university, and that doing so can help you get into such a high-tier university.

Yes, it does unnecessarily crowd local community college. Such is the arms race that is today's college admission's scene.

Re:Two-thirds of American employees regret their college deg... by miranda_rights on Wednesday June 26, 2019 @11:06AM (#20285714)
You're not considered a transfer student when you do Running Start. As long as you haven't actually graduated high school when taking the community college classes, you're considered a freshman applicant when applying to colleges. It's offered as a better alternative to just taking more AP or IB classes, which are also 'college level'.
Re:Two-thirds of American employees regret their college deg... by bargl on Tuesday June 25, 2019 @05:56PM (#20279430)
The program doesn't require you to be a transfer student. You actually get a HS and AS/AE degree at the same time. So you have the option to be a transfer student but you also have the option to go through the normal application process and have your credits treated as HS classes.

All that said, it is probably still more likely to hurt you on an application to some programs. Now they've got to compare apples to oranges rather than an easy AP student to another AP student.

I did the program and got into most of the schools I wanted to but missed out on one that I really wanted. I saved myself 1 years worth of college, and could have saved more if I'd planned a little better (taken engineering physics instead of normal physics) and a few more classes that would have transferred directly. Overall I saved about 2x on credits as much some of the AP students, which would have been 3x if I'd known better.

Re:Two-thirds of American employees regret their college deg... by sdinsn on Tuesday June 25, 2019 @06:05PM (#20279520)
> If your goal is to graduate from a top school

But why is that always the goal that counselors push? The data shows that future income is most closely correlated to major, not school choice.

Re:Two-thirds of American employees regret their college deg... by bradlys on Tuesday June 25, 2019 @07:08PM (#20280154)
Maybe they're pushing people to get the best school for their major.

I think going to Stanford for CS will open more doors than going to Oregon State. There is a significant networking aspect to these top schools as well. I see it very clearly with my friends who went to CalTech and Stanford.

It's probably not a coincidence that many (most?) of my peers in the bay area are people who graduated from top schools and/or programs.

Re:Two-thirds of American employees regret their college deg... by rayiner on Tuesday June 25, 2019 @07:44PM (#20280441)
> I think going to Stanford for CS will open more doors than going to Oregon State.

This concept stops being applicable the minute you get out of the HYPS tier of colleges. If you're cut out to go to HYPS and want to work in finance or top-tier consulting, then you should go. I understand the situation is similar these days with FANG companies. Once you're outside that tiny range of schools, save your money and go to the best in-state school you can get into.

Re:Two-thirds of American employees regret their college deg... by bradlys on Tuesday June 25, 2019 @08:33PM (#20280796)
You don't have to be in finance either. The people I'm mentioning are all in software.

Turns out - some of these graduating classes from these prestigious colleges end up running a lot of the bay area. It's not a diverse educational background.

Re:Two-thirds of American employees regret their college deg... by metildaa on Tuesday June 25, 2019 @07:30PM (#20280338)
OSU has quite a bit to offer that can jumpstart a CS career, like the OSU Open Source Lab: http://osuosl.org

Meanwhile, not really sure I think of Stanford as a CS school, unlike MIT & similar.

Re:Two-thirds of American employees regret their college deg... by jacobsenscott on Tuesday June 25, 2019 @09:03PM (#20280946)
"Top tier CS" school is pure marketing. Data structures and algorithms don't change based on geography or the amount of money you pay a school.
Re:Two-thirds of American employees regret their college deg... by tuesdayrain on Wednesday June 26, 2019 @07:32AM (#20283915)
The quality of professors, lectures, and general atmosphere definitely do.
Re:Two-thirds of American employees regret their college deg... by akhilcacharya on Tuesday June 25, 2019 @07:53PM (#20280526)
Stanford CS is tied for #1 with Berkeley CMU and MIT
Re:Two-thirds of American employees regret their college deg... by metildaa on Tuesday June 25, 2019 @08:50PM (#20280880)
Berkely (BSD), MIT (of MIT license fame) & CMU (Sphinx) have a history of notable software that has enabled computing for decades, most HN users can name software developed by either institution.

Stanford doesn't have that cache, despite what US News & World might say. US News & World rankings tend to be fairly subjective, look at their top 15 cities.

Edit: CS School Rankings for those interested: https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-science-sch...

Re:Two-thirds of American employees regret their college deg... by hellocs1 on Tuesday June 25, 2019 @09:52PM (#20281192)
Are you seriously saying Stanford doesn't have the same cache as Berkeley, MIT, or CMU in CS because you couldn't name something invented from Stanford?

How about number of Turing laureates? Stanford has the most for alumni + faculty, and comes second if you only count alumni (to Berkeley), and comes second if you just count long-term faculty (to MIT), and comes first for short-term faculty.[0]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Turing_Award_laureates...

Re:Two-thirds of American employees regret their college deg... by nostrademons on Wednesday June 26, 2019 @12:35AM (#20281956)
I mean, you could look at Google, Yahoo, SnapChat, VMWare, Sun, and Cisco as "interesting software invented at Stanford". Not to mention TAOCP and TeX. Only difference is that Stanford alums tend to get rich off their inventions because they don't bother to share the source code (usually; Knuth is an exception) while Berkeley & MIT have more of a history of public-domain contributions.
Re:Two-thirds of American employees regret their college deg... by akhilcacharya on Tuesday June 25, 2019 @07:53PM (#20280519)
I think this is an uncomfortable truth for many people. People don’t like to admit that their performance at the time they got admitted to college is a reflection of their status and future ability but it unfortunately is.
Re:Two-thirds of American employees regret their college deg... by legitster on Tuesday June 25, 2019 @06:02PM (#20279492)
For sure, if you want to get into Harvard, you may have to forge your own path.

But I think for the average job and lifestyle people actually want to live, I think they will discover on their own how unimportant the school they went to will be.

Re:Two-thirds of American employees regret their college deg... by inlined on Tuesday June 25, 2019 @06:08PM (#20279547)
AP isn’t the worst thing in the world. I technically entered college as a junior. I still took four years, but I got preference in picking my courses, dabbled with extra math classes (was going for a minor but it would have taken me past 4yrs which is all I had funding for), and I changed my major slightly.
Re:Two-thirds of American employees regret their college deg... by knicholes on Tuesday June 25, 2019 @08:04PM (#20280594)
I went to Utah Valley State College and was accepted into the Georgia Tech's ONLINE machine learning master's program-- But maybe that had to do with me being an Adobe employee and less about my less-than-impressive selection of college. Or maybe it was because it was the online program. Furthermore, I've never taken the SAT or ACT.
Re:Two-thirds of American employees regret their college deg... by julianj on Tuesday June 25, 2019 @08:22PM (#20280732)
Thanks for this. I was planning to try this from a similar background. I am glad to know it is at least possible...
Re:Two-thirds of American employees regret their college deg... by cobookman on Tuesday June 25, 2019 @08:44PM (#20280849)
I wonder if that's a biased sample.

Top % of students likely transfer less often than bottom %.

Therefore transfer pool often has students from lower %. And statistically the applicants are worse than from initial application.

However that doesn't mean ones ods are less doing a transfer. It might be better given the transfer peers overall worse applications.

(This is all conjecture. I have no actual stats.)

Re:Two-thirds of American employees regret their college deg... by akavi on Tuesday June 25, 2019 @08:39PM (#20280815)
I imagine you just wouldn't apply as a transfer student.

Texas has a program called TAMS where you take your 11th and 12th grade classes at the University of North Texas. While some students "transfer" at the end (I think to do an end run around UT Austin's 10% rule?), most apply to college as normal high school seniors.