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Re:Friendly policies keep US oil and coal afloat far more th... by docdeek on Monday June 24, 2019 @03:49AM (#20261351)
The same protection exists for major shipping routes the world over, not only oil. I'm not sure it is useful to include this in calculations of the subsidies to the fossil fuel sector any more than we would include it in calculating subsidies for tech firms building products in China and shipping them around the world.
Re:Friendly policies keep US oil and coal afloat far more th... by vidarh on Monday June 24, 2019 @04:46AM (#20261587)
I think in general it makes sense to try to account for externalities in everything. If you spend lots of money on things like protecting shipping routes and accounting for that in the product cost tips costs in favour of manufacturing closer, then that's important to understand.
Re:Friendly policies keep US oil and coal afloat far more th... by Robotbeat on Monday June 24, 2019 @04:31AM (#20261516)
Considering just how much US military presence is in the Middle East primarily for protecting energy assets, I think it is useful. It's disproportionate to the actual value produced compared to other shipping protection deployments.
Re:Friendly policies keep US oil and coal afloat far more th... by ailideex on Monday June 24, 2019 @04:48AM (#20261594)
How much of the oil used in US comes from middle east?
Re:Friendly policies keep US oil and coal afloat far more th... by Robotbeat on Monday June 24, 2019 @05:03AM (#20261663)
That's the crazy thing. Nowadays, it's not even very much (on the order of $30 billion in oil per year, much of which is refined and re-exported as gasoline, etc), but we have massive military investments in military bases in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, UAE, Oman, Djibouti, etc. There's no way this passes the cost vs benefit sniff test.

Unlike the mid-aughts, the US is very nearly a net exporter of oil and oil products: https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=pet&s=m...

Re:Friendly policies keep US oil and coal afloat far more th... by FrojoS on Monday June 24, 2019 @08:51AM (#20263000)
What matters is mostly the global price.
Re:Friendly policies keep US oil and coal afloat far more th... by gameswithgo on Monday June 24, 2019 @10:00AM (#20263574)
It doesn't matter how much physically comes from there to here, it matters how much their production brings down the price of the global commodity.
Re:Friendly policies keep US oil and coal afloat far more th... by Robotbeat on Monday June 24, 2019 @01:57PM (#20266402)
Well, that's the key point about becoming a net exporter of oil, isn't it? If the global price of oil shoots up, the extra cost to consumers is easily offset by the increased revenue for domestic oil production. If that's not good enough for you, there's also the option of protectionist measures to keep the price of oil for consumers nearer what it was originally (which is less economically efficient but is no worse than where you were at first).

That's the main argument for being "energy independent."

Re:Friendly policies keep US oil and coal afloat far more th... by reallydontask on Monday June 24, 2019 @04:30AM (#20261512)
I suppose this depends on the relative risk that said items have.

I would guess that for a pirate in East Africa some items would be more valuable than others. Is oil more valuable than say iPhones to them?

Re:Friendly policies keep US oil and coal afloat far more th... by ptah on Monday June 24, 2019 @04:52AM (#20261608)
the war in iraq was exclusively about oil
Re:Friendly policies keep US oil and coal afloat far more th... by Guthur on Monday June 24, 2019 @06:09AM (#20261930)
I think most major wars in the last 100 years could be characterised as for either markets or energy.