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Re:Raspberry Pi 4 by ben_w on Monday June 24, 2019 @02:57AM (#20261118)
Counter hypothesis because I can’t be bothered to research it fully:

Pi: “Hello we wish to buy a $thing”

Vendor: “Certainly. We sell $thing for ten dollars per unit if it doesn’t have DRM, or five dollars per unit if it does.”

Re:Raspberry Pi 4 by hlandau on Monday June 24, 2019 @03:12AM (#20261192)
The camera PCB was made by rpi for specific use with the rpi. The DRM chip is not part of the camera vendor's assembly. It is a separate chip placed on the PCB, therefore placed there by the PCB designer, i.e., by rpi.
Re:Raspberry Pi 4 by kingosticks on Monday June 24, 2019 @03:26AM (#20261272)
Ben Upton said:

> You can plug any CSI camera into the Raspberry Pi. There's even a kernel driver for the CSI receiver, which we paid for ((link: https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/9951525/) patchwork.kernel.org/patch/9951525/). What you can't do is clone the official v2 camera module and use the default ISP tuning, which we also paid for.

https://mobile.twitter.com/EbenUpton/status/1088440503622909...

Personally I have no problem at all with protecting the investments around add-ons like this module, if it means they continue to persue them.

Re:Raspberry Pi 4 by Qworg on Monday June 24, 2019 @04:47AM (#20261591)
I'd prefer if they gave us the full functionality of the device though - the imager is capable of global shutter but it is locked out.
Re:Raspberry Pi 4 by kingosticks on Monday June 24, 2019 @05:20AM (#20261739)
That's a fair point. Perhaps when camera v3 is released they'll have the option of updating start.elf and removing the restrictions on using this hardware.
Re:Raspberry Pi 4 by amelius on Monday June 24, 2019 @04:34AM (#20261538)
Isn't the use of the chip by the user entirely optional?
Re:Raspberry Pi 4 by makomk on Monday June 24, 2019 @05:14AM (#20261713)
Well, it's optional in the sense that if you can find a way to use the camera with some board other than a Raspberry Pi then you don't have to use it. If you're doing the intended thing of connecting it to a Raspberry Pi, though? Not optional.
Re:Raspberry Pi 4 by cr0sh on Monday June 24, 2019 @10:03AM (#20263601)
> Vendor: “Certainly. We sell $thing for ten dollars per unit if it doesn’t have DRM, or five dollars per unit if it does.”

Hah - sounds like the "boneless vs bone-in steak" sales model - take the bone out of the steak, and suddenly it costs more per pound than it does with the bone left in. Somehow, less costs more - and people sadly pay for it.