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Re:Raspberry Pi 4 by hlandau on Monday June 24, 2019 @02:53AM (#20261096)
Other SBC makers don't have an issue offering full schematics, yet, due to their smaller size, have relatively more to lose from being cloned. Moreover, I hope nobody believes that a lack of full schematics is going to stop people from making clones. Schematics can be reversed with not too much effort. Due to their large audience and brand recognition, rpi actually has less to fear from clones than smaller SBC vendors.

If anything, it seems like they've judged that their large size and brand recognition is something that they can coast on to avoid having to offer what other SBC vendors do.

I'm not complaining about rpi existing, I'm pointing out that what they offer is in certain aspects inferior to the offerings of smaller SBC vendors, which is actually surprising, given that their large size should make them much better resourced to match or exceed the offerings of those vendors. This causes me to question whether these values are actually a priority at all, even if they claim so.

Re:Raspberry Pi 4 by Jnr on Monday June 24, 2019 @03:47AM (#20261345)
I would buy cheaper RPi clones the same way I do with Arduino clones from China.
Re:Raspberry Pi 4 by lostmyoldone on Monday June 24, 2019 @06:47AM (#20262111)
It's very unlikely releasing schematics would change anything.

RPi as a board is clearly simple enough that there would be clones if you could get components at competitive prices. The only conclusion is than that you either can't get the CPU, or you can't get it at a competitive price.

RPi use Broadcom chips, which you rarely find these on other hobbyist boards. The most likely cause, after what I heard from people in the industry, is that you usually either can't can't get Broadcom chips at all, at acceptable prices, or even documentation for them when you are only interested in the small quantities you'd need for introducing a new/clone hobbyist board. Not unless you've got some serious connections.

Re:Raspberry Pi 4 by heavenlyblue on Monday June 24, 2019 @07:12AM (#20262238)
Given the fact that a single Arduino costs about half the price of an RPi...

The only reason I would consider buying an Arduino (or similar) is for super-low-power applications.

Re:Raspberry Pi 4 by hannasanarion on Monday June 24, 2019 @08:28AM (#20262811)
Yeah, that's what it's meant for. RasPi is a computer, Arduino is a microcontroller. Different tools for different jobs.
Re:Raspberry Pi 4 by heavenlyblue on Monday June 24, 2019 @09:37AM (#20263395)
Yeah, but my point is that Arduino has a much higher premium than a Raspberry pi.

Otherwise RPi would have been copied a long time ago at a lower price.

Re:Raspberry Pi 4 by phosphophyllite on Monday June 24, 2019 @03:12AM (#20261194)
Maybe RPi developers deal with with some investors that way? (in order to attract more money)
Re:Raspberry Pi 4 by hlandau on Monday June 24, 2019 @03:15AM (#20261218)
The Raspberry Pi Foundation is a nonprofit.
Re:Raspberry Pi 4 by mondoshawan on Monday June 24, 2019 @08:14PM (#20269909)
That gets 99% of their SoCs and other chips from Broadcom at cost. Don't forget this if you decide to compete -- you can't win on price.
Re:Raspberry Pi 4 by morphle on Monday June 24, 2019 @04:15AM (#20261444)
How are you a non-profit if you pay a salary to you employees and allow your suppliers to make a profit?. They act as a 'low profit' company, but they do make profits.
Re:Raspberry Pi 4 by grenoire on Monday June 24, 2019 @04:18AM (#20261469)
Do you realise that non-profit means that you just don't have leftover cash at the end of the year in your balance sheet? Non-profits pay their employees and their suppliers, their financial situation has absolutely nothing to do with what you are implying.
Re:Raspberry Pi 4 by patentatt on Monday June 24, 2019 @05:03AM (#20261662)
I think the gp’s point is that to a lot of entities (employees, suppliers) there is little difference between for profit and non profit. And if your nonprofit is passing profit along to a for profit ... you can see how the lines blur. Maybe a way to interpret the above comment is that the incentive structure for many people involved is not significantly impacted by the nonprofit status. And non profits can have money left over at the end of the year, they just don’t distribute it to shareholders.
Re:Raspberry Pi 4 by Symbiote on Monday June 24, 2019 @07:30AM (#20262385)
The Raspberry Pi Foundation is a charity registered in England and Wales. "The object of the charity is to further the advancement of education of adults and children, particularly in the field of Computers, Computer Science and related subjects." They have a trading subsidiary.

Anyone sufficiently cynical (not me) can read the accounts of both entities:

- https://beta.charitycommission.gov.uk/charity-details?regid=...

- https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/08207441

Re:Raspberry Pi 4 by kasbah on Monday June 24, 2019 @08:30AM (#20262829)
Interesting, didn't know this, only up to 2017 is published, but that year they report:

> This was another year of exceptional growth with Revenues at £25.5m (2016 - 16.3m) and Operating Profit of £9.7m (2016 - £8.9m)

Re:Raspberry Pi 4 by OJFord on Monday June 24, 2019 @10:10AM (#20263656)
And that's a binding object - charities' trustees are legally accountable to ensuring the charity acts to fulfill its stated aims.
Re:Raspberry Pi 4 by boomlinde on Monday June 24, 2019 @06:51AM (#20262130)
Hence they aren't dealing with investors, which was his original question.
Re:Raspberry Pi 4 by morphle on Monday June 24, 2019 @07:19AM (#20262285)
I'd say that Broadcom is the mayor investor here.
Re:Raspberry Pi 4 by KaiserPro on Monday June 24, 2019 @10:53AM (#20264105)
its a charity, and unlike in the US, charities are tightly controlled and have to publish reasonably detailed finances.
Re:Raspberry Pi 4 by dannypgh on Monday June 24, 2019 @05:40AM (#20261819)
I thought being a non-profit meant you had goals that weren't profit; there are non-profits with billion dollar endowments that presumably have leftover cash on their balance sheet...
Re:Raspberry Pi 4 by grenoire on Monday June 24, 2019 @06:51AM (#20262132)
That's the distinction between not-for-profit and non-profit. They are quite different on both legal and operational standpoints.[0]

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonprofit_organization#Nonprof...

Re:Raspberry Pi 4 by ksec on Monday June 24, 2019 @08:24AM (#20262773)
Are there any single Widely known, Non-Profits Organisation that fits your description?
Re:Raspberry Pi 4 by bityard on Monday June 24, 2019 @12:44PM (#20265491)
What you think a non-profit is, is not actually what a non-profit is.
Re:Raspberry Pi 4 by Sohcahtoa82 on Monday June 24, 2019 @05:11PM (#20268531)
> How are you a non-profit if you pay a salary to you employees

How does paying your employees suddenly make you for-profit?

Do you know the definition of "profit"?