Re:Universal Basic Income is 'best way to distribute equity ...
by tomschlick on Thursday June 20, 2019 @04:10PM
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> This seems to be a strawman to me. I've never seen it argued that UBI should come with any kind of requirement that it be spent in certain ways, or that further monitoring would be required to ensure that people didn't do stupid things with it.
Given that UBI replaces most other social programs, you'd have to consider if you let people who waste their stipend go hungry or not. If a single mom waste's theirs, do we now introduce SNAP/WIC back into play to cover that? How about disabled people? In my mind all of these programs will slowly be reintroduced to cover edge cases and then we are back where we started.
Re:Universal Basic Income is 'best way to distribute equity ...
by undersuit on Thursday June 20, 2019 @04:12PM
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If a single mom wastes their SNAP/WIC now do we give them more SNAP/WIC?
Re:Universal Basic Income is 'best way to distribute equity ...
by wmf on Thursday June 20, 2019 @06:15PM
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One would hope that we give them a social worker or something, but if UBI also eliminates that...
Re:Universal Basic Income is 'best way to distribute equity ...
by undersuit on Thursday June 20, 2019 @06:21PM
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If the mother is endangering the children I'd rather the children be given a social worker(and protect their UBI if children do receive a benefit). The mother may still have her UBI.
This seems to be a strawman to me. I've never seen it argued that UBI should come with any kind of requirement that it be spent in certain ways, or that further monitoring would be required to ensure that people didn't do stupid things with it.
Yeah, some people will do with UBI what they do with their wages now: spend it on booze, gambling, video games, whatever their addiction of choice is.
But...that's not a problem that should be solved with strings on UBI, or anything like that. It's a problem that should be solved by trying destigmatize addiction, treat it as a disease, not a personal moral failing, and address the root causes that lead to it. Those things aren't easy, but that doesn't really matter for whether we should enact a UBI, because they're out of its scope.
However, if you reason through to some logical conclusions, it seems likely that, over time, a UBI that genuinely provides enough for people to live on, not in luxury but not in squalor, will tend to lead to these people having more opportunity to get themselves out of the negative spirals of addiction. It can give them hope. It can prevent many others from ending up in that situation to begin with.