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Re:Getting 2FA Right in 2019 by alchemism on Thursday June 20, 2019 @11:25AM (#20233841)
Use Authy. 2FA via account instead of device is hypothetically less-secure but as a practice for individual security, far better than being locked out of everything after the misfortune of losing a phone.
Re:Getting 2FA Right in 2019 by graeme on Thursday June 20, 2019 @03:33PM (#20236478)
Note that by default authy is vulnerable to sim porting. You can take over an authy account with a phone number.
Re:Getting 2FA Right in 2019 by secabeen on Thursday June 20, 2019 @06:44PM (#20238138)
You could take over an authy account, but does that give you the ability to decrypt the encrypted blob with the TOTP secrets in it? Authy says no: https://support.authy.com/hc/en-us/articles/115001950787-Bac...
Re:Getting 2FA Right in 2019 by graeme on Friday June 21, 2019 @12:32PM (#20244024)
Haven’t you lost all your 2fa keys at that point though? Decryption aside, that seems incredibly inconvenient.
Re:Getting 2FA Right in 2019 by secabeen on Friday June 21, 2019 @01:15PM (#20244476)
Well, maybe? If the SMS takeover attack results in the permanent loss of your phone number, then yes, you have lost everything. However, in most SMS takeover attacks, the attack only lasts some hours, where the attacker has control over your phone number and uses that to pivot into other accounts. With the Authy-style 2FA, they get your phone number, can then recover your Authy account, and get a copy of your encrypted blob, but they can't do anything with it. Any time they try to pivot to a different account, they don't have the 2FA and get blocked (ignoring account recovery attacks that bypass 2FA, that's out of scope). Eventually, you'd recover your SMS/phone account, and be able to download the blob, decrypt it, and have your keys. That's the model I'm seeing.

One protection that Authy should include is not letting someone who has recently performed an account recovery perform a blob deletion. That should require a delay.

Re:Getting 2FA Right in 2019 by pointillistic on Thursday June 20, 2019 @11:34AM (#20233940)
Authy only for Chrome, no Authy for Firefox.
Re:Getting 2FA Right in 2019 by slazaro on Thursday June 20, 2019 @12:46PM (#20234678)
Is that really a problem when you have a mobile app and a desktop app?