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Re:India is drying up by Arun2009 on Tuesday June 18, 2019 @10:52AM (#20213710)
Monsoons have been a dud so far. Our well nearly dried up, and we were planning to shift should water run out. The municipal water supply is useless. The irony: my state (Kerala) receives around 3000+ mm rainfall per year on average, and suffered from devastating floods last year.

I feel sad when Indians wank about military technology and "national security" issues due to Pakistan and China. The single greatest national security threat for India is Indians' abject incompetence in governing themselves. I fear that we will pay a very heavy price for this.

Re:India is drying up by ohaideredevs on Tuesday June 18, 2019 @11:19AM (#20214057)
You guys have enough T-90s to roll Pakistan three times over. One of the largest modern tank forces in the world if not THE largest.
Re:India is drying up by luc4sdreyer on Tuesday June 18, 2019 @12:16PM (#20214720)
Depending on the definition of "modern". If you mean third generation tanks, then the US has almost twice as many. 7970 vs 4791. Russia has 15755 but I'm not sure how many qualify as third generation. According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_main_battle_tanks_by_c...
Re:India is drying up by ohaideredevs on Tuesday June 18, 2019 @12:34PM (#20214891)
A lot of Russia's armor consists of dated T-72s, a small number of which are being upgraded, but those upgrades are basically "Add a thermal sight, make the turrent turn a little faster, add some ERA brickes". Armata is really a unicorn, T-80s got pulled out of service, and they rely on T-90 variants just like India.

Whether or not M1A2s are equal or inferior to a tricked-out T-90 is a long, long debate.

There is also China, but I personally don't think much of their new tanks.

Re:India is drying up by luc4sdreyer on Tuesday June 18, 2019 @07:26PM (#20219481)
> Whether or not M1A2s are equal or inferior to a tricked-out T-90 is a long, long debate.

That's an interesting way to put it! From my basic reading I'd consider the M1A2 to have an edge over the T-90MS. If you look at the bigger picture (logistics and total cost of a war), then the T-90MS might have an edge.

Re:India is drying up by ohaideredevs on Wednesday June 19, 2019 @08:05AM (#20222519)
Yea, my statement was too biased to make without evidence, so props for calling me on it. If we ever have a news article on tanks on here, we can debate it out =)
Re:India is drying up by ghostbrainalpha on Tuesday June 18, 2019 @11:58AM (#20214514)
It's very likely an all actual war between India and Pakistan would be decided before a single tank could cross the border. Pakistan has had nuclear weapons for over 20 years at this point.
Re:India is drying up by sbmthakur on Tuesday June 18, 2019 @01:16PM (#20215520)
The border is quite long. If there are multiple fronts, a small force could penetrate the border.
Re:India is drying up by cmonnow on Tuesday June 18, 2019 @12:25PM (#20214807)
Yeah.. All India has are brainwashed terrorists who cross over into the neighboring country and use their flesh as boom fuel.
Re:India is drying up by dang on Tuesday June 18, 2019 @05:53PM (#20218838)
Nationalistic flamewar will get you banned here. Please don't.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:India is drying up by cmonnow on Tuesday June 18, 2019 @09:19PM (#20220089)
Did you make this comment to OP first ?
Re:India is drying up by dang on Tuesday June 18, 2019 @10:21PM (#20220307)
I understand the feeling, but it's actually an irrelevant question, much as you still get a speeding ticket even when some other guy was going faster.

If you see comments that should be moderated but weren't, the likeliest explanation is that we didn't see it. We don't come close to seeing all the comments here. You can let us know about it by flagging it (see https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html) or by emailing [email protected] in egregious cases.

Re:India is drying up by jogjayr on Tuesday June 18, 2019 @11:52PM (#20220663)
Pakistan will use nukes if they feel like they're losing a conventional war.[1]

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_doctrine_of_Pakistan

Re:India is drying up by thisisit on Tuesday June 18, 2019 @09:21PM (#20220099)
I fail to see how does the first part of your statement about climate issues connect with the second part of the statement about security/Pakistan.

It seems that you just wanted to make a point.

For the municipal water issue what has the state government/city done over the years?

Re:India is drying up by sbmthakur on Tuesday June 18, 2019 @01:21PM (#20215588)
You raise a good point. But national security has its place, especially when two nuclear-armed neighbors have invaded you in the past.

We can build-up national security and enhance focus on internal problems at the same time.

For example, there have been talks of cooperation with Israel on the water-shortage issue:

https://www.timesnownews.com/india/article/israel-comes-forw...

Re:India is drying up by jogjayr on Tuesday June 18, 2019 @11:59PM (#20220687)
Pakistan is nowhere near strong enough to defeat India in a conventional war. India would almost certainly lose a conventional war with China. All 3 nations have nukes. Doing anything more than maintaining that equilibrium is a waste of resources.
Re:India is drying up by sbmthakur on Wednesday June 19, 2019 @01:28AM (#20221024)
It's difficult to predict considering that Pak has vowed to use tactical nukes on any invading Indian force. But yes, that's the agreed upon conclusion[1].

Maintaing the equilibrium is obviously good for peace. But there are reports of India and Pakistan beefing up nukes.

1. https://wap.business-standard.com/article/pti-stories/fewer-...

Re:India is drying up by jogjayr on Wednesday June 19, 2019 @01:54AM (#20221122)
> Pak has vowed to use tactical nukes on any invading Indian force.

True. But in a nuclear conflict there are no winners.

Re:India is drying up by luminati on Tuesday June 18, 2019 @12:30PM (#20214857)
"The single greatest national security threat for India is Indians' abject incompetence in governing themselves."

Why don't you learn from your Northerly neighbors (China) on how to run government? One thing I find in my travels to India, is how much abject contempt you guys have towards the Chinese way of doing things. Unbelievable - considering the cultures are very similar (Buddhist thought has historical played a major roles in both cultures), similar population sizes, etc..

No, let's follow a political system that has had no organic roots/development in the country and pretend all are literate folks who are capable of holding a debate on what policies are good for their country, while the politicians take out everyone to the cleaners.

Re:India is drying up by dang on Tuesday June 18, 2019 @06:15PM (#20218998)
Please don't take HN threads into nationalistic flamewar. You probably have a good point there but snarky frustration is not the way to present it, and you made things much worse with https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20215080.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:India is drying up by seanmcdirmid on Tuesday June 18, 2019 @12:50PM (#20215121)
There is a huge deal difference between relatively homogenous China (90+% Han) and linguistically and ethnically diverse India. Heck, English is even a unifying language there. Not to mention way different geographies (very fertile/tropical India and very mountainous/temperate China) and political (including colonial) histories.

Perhaps India could learn a few lessons from China, but the role model approach wouldn’t work.

Re:India is drying up by nilsocket on Tuesday June 18, 2019 @01:55PM (#20216107)
We are unable to have a national language, because many people disagree.

> Buddhist thought has historical played a major roles in both cultures

Buddhism was born in India, but never spread across country in any considerable amount, other countries took up on it. The place where Buddha was born and enlightened is in modern day Bihar, you rarely find any Buddhist there.

India is very diverse, we have 22 official languages (~1000 unofficial), and for many languages writing scripts change, within 100 to 200km dialects and languages keep changing. Food keeps changing, climate keeps changing. People's behaviour keep changing. Dressing style, music, dance,... keeps changing. Nothing stays the same.

Government have recently released a educational draft, indicating children should be tri-lingual (native language, Hindi, English) and many people straight out opposed it, indicating they don't accept Hindi, as in near future there language may go out of existence.

The main problem is we cannot communicate properly, with each other from other places.

India is in no way similar to China, except for huge population numbers.

Despite being colonized for ~800 years(600 years under Muslim rulers, 200 years under British), culture haven't changed, think how stubborn people are.

We are a mess in it's own way, but we somehow survive and flourish slowly.

A good modern day example would be, Indian election.

Indian media and left tried there best to spread anti-modi movement (~5 years), no media channel have expected modi to win majority in 2019, but it came to be quite opposite.

Even now, all media channels are doing some analysis, how did this happen.

There is an old saying ( loosely translated), If you are having a discussion with 5 chinese and 5 Indians about a problem. All Chinese come up with one solution, Indians come up with atleast 6 different ideas.

Thank you.

Re:India is drying up by otohp on Wednesday June 19, 2019 @01:05AM (#20220932)
Claiming that we were colonised by muslims is not correct. Unlike the british, they did not rob india of it's treasure and take it away. You may not like it that it happened, but claiming that it was colonization is ridiculous.
Re:India is drying up by smallnamespace on Wednesday June 19, 2019 @02:56AM (#20221345)
> 1) the primary object of his invasion was to plunder India's wealth. India, at that time, was known for its wealth, particularly its gold and precious diamonds.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_campaign_of_Ahmad_Shah_...

Re:India is drying up by voldacar on Tuesday June 18, 2019 @01:02PM (#20215313)
>Why don't you learn from your Northerly neighbors (China) on how to run government?

Ah yes humans really do thrive under totalitarian dictatorships

Re:India is drying up by smallnamespace on Tuesday June 18, 2019 @12:45PM (#20215040)
> considering the cultures are very similar

India is far more multicultural (multiple religions, multiple ethnicities, multiple languages) than China.

Easy rule of thumb for the last 2 millennia of history: China has spent most of its time unified, while India hasn't.

Re:India is drying up by naruvimama on Monday June 24, 2019 @11:56AM (#20264851)
That might actually be untrue. While India through out its history was ruled by countless small kingdoms, most of them were part of invisible empires and connected through marriage, alliance or principle.

There were very few genocidal wars or wars of total annihilation. This strangely was a common problem not only in China but in Europe where loosing a war would mean total annihilation. This only came to an end in India with the Islamic invasion - whose strategy like in Persia or Mesopotamia consisted of raid, loot, murder and flee. When they found themselves more permanent rule it was mostly about conversion, taking slaves, destruction/defacement or appropriation(repurposing) of non-islamic buildings.

It is like saying the Soviet was united and the EU was never. The Soviet was held together by force, the EU is held together by consent.

Re:India is drying up by sbmthakur on Tuesday June 18, 2019 @01:36PM (#20215811)
Democracy, for all its faults, has worked for us. Over the decades, India has improved on factors like life expectancy and literacy. Not saying that we're there but we're definitely getting there. I'm not sure if we'd even remain a single country if we were to have a Communist government(or some other form of dictatorship.)

However, I do feel that we can learn a lot from Chinese people and culture.

Re:India is drying up by iamgopal on Tuesday June 18, 2019 @12:39PM (#20214956)
Was that sarcasm?
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Re:India is drying up by shirakawasuna on Tuesday June 18, 2019 @01:19PM (#20215555)
I'm sure that's why all my Chinese colleagues have been desperate to stay in the US.
Re:India is drying up by dgjrhgi on Tuesday June 18, 2019 @04:10PM (#20217860)
That's because most literate Indians(thanks to media, text,.. bias) have zero confidence(in some cases hatred) in traditional Indian/Chinese methods of life. They will die hunting for modern scientific solutions these problems but never even once look back to their history for answers.
Re:India is drying up by agumonkey on Tuesday June 18, 2019 @02:06PM (#20216304)
You can easily generalize the sentiment. Most countries are distracted by useless debates while the environment is ignored.
Re:India is drying up by skinnymuch on Tuesday June 18, 2019 @10:56AM (#20213771)
Does India spend a lot of time and resources on Pakistan stuff? PK is so puny compared to India.
Re:India is drying up by scarmig on Tuesday June 18, 2019 @11:03AM (#20213859)
How much time does the US spend arguing over relatively minor (in the grand scheme of things) issues like immigration, Presidential dignity, and campus political correctness?

All the while, even the DNC refuses to hold a climate change debate to figure out how candidates are approaching the biggest existential threat we face now.

Unfortunately humanity isn't good at facing long term issues that require serious sacrifice and collective action.

Re:India is drying up by addicted on Tuesday June 18, 2019 @11:12AM (#20213972)
And the RNC considers it a conspiracy.
Re:India is drying up by stronglikedan on Tuesday June 18, 2019 @12:48PM (#20215082)
Not a conspiracy, just the DNC being the DNC - not really interested in actually solving crises, since crises are their platform.
Re:India is drying up by ekianjo on Tuesday June 18, 2019 @11:17AM (#20214033)
> Unfortunately humanity isn't good at facing long term issues

On the contrary, long term issues are not likely to be a huge problem, if you factor investment, innovation and technical improvements. It's not like the world is static and nothing is going to happen in the coming 50 years.

Let me remind you at that in the early 20th century everyone was seriously worried that humanity might starve to death once we reach 1 billion people. And we are now more than 7, and no starvation is in sight. That was a long term problem that basically disappeared completely.

Re:India is drying up by graeme on Tuesday June 18, 2019 @11:31AM (#20214197)
We solved that problem by using fossil energy to fertilize and mechanize agriculture, and non renewable fossil aquifers to irrigate.

It's not obvious the problem is solved, it may only be delayed.

Re:India is drying up by scarmig on Tuesday June 18, 2019 @01:36PM (#20215807)
You can sweep the issue of climate change under the rug with claims of innovation and technology solving everything.

I presume, though, that you're opposed to e.g. a heavy carbon tax. You can use that same line to sweep the downsides of it under the rug--after all, a carbon tax will drive innovation toward green tech.

It's a kind of technological nihilism that says that technology will fix everything. In the real world, we have to consider concrete costs and benefits.

In the long term, we are far poorer if we don't address climate change.

Re:India is drying up by graeme on Tuesday June 18, 2019 @04:49PM (#20218258)
Exactly. There's a lack of seriousness in those who:

* hold that technology will fix everything, but

* oppose a carbon tax, which would give a market incentive to technology aimed at fixing this

It's not even consistent with market principles. We have the income tax, a massive distortion in the economy. We could replace much of this with a carbon tax.

Re:India is drying up by scarmig on Tuesday June 18, 2019 @05:30PM (#20218647)
A carbon tax that replaces income tax, dollar for dollar, is almost a pure win.

To the extent that carbon use is absolutely necessary (read: inelastic), the tax will be passed on transparently. It'd be theoretically efficient in the same sense a land tax is efficient.

To the extent that carbon use isn't necessary (read: elastic), it'd drive people to substitute it for something else.

Even efficiency of implementation is trivial compared to income tax. The government knows where companies are extracting fossil fuels, and it knows which companies are extracting fossil fuels, and fossil fuel extraction requires large amounts of hard-to-move capital.

Policy-wise it's as pure an economic win as we can imagine in this world of ours, as we'd be moving away from distortionary income taxation.

Re:India is drying up by sametmax on Tuesday June 18, 2019 @11:14AM (#20213989)
You mean like Iran, that haven't invaded any country in 200 years, is surrounded by the US, a country that invades other places every decade, sometime lying about WMD and against the UN ?

Threats are rarely the reasons we attack people. Politics and resources are more likely.

Asking with India is fighting Paskistan is like a drunk asking a friend why smoking those bad, bad cigarets.

Re:India is drying up by justanobody on Tuesday June 18, 2019 @01:25PM (#20215659)
In fact, it would be interesting to create maps of resources which are useful for today's society vs military presence of major powers near these resource centers.

It would be revealing, but I would fear for the safety of the author of such an article.

Why isn't the US equally interested in spreading freedom and democracy in every single country on this map? https://planetrulers.com/current-dictators/

Re:India is drying up by srean on Tuesday June 18, 2019 @01:38PM (#20215841)
Yup. That narrative helped, in a backhanded way, the current party to win the election. Embarrasingly convenient issue to stoke to win these things when one runs out of towns to rename :)
Re:India is drying up by iKevinShah on Tuesday June 18, 2019 @11:03AM (#20213856)
tbf, its less about being actually worried about Pakistan (we are a little) but its more about gaining public support and hence votes due to it.