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Re:Mazda is purging touchscreens from its vehicles by JangoSteve on Monday June 17, 2019 @01:10PM (#20205084)
This argument doesn't make a ton of sense to me. It seems like an inconsistent comparison to compare a single touchscreen to many customized knobs/buttons/etc., when you could also compare a single set of knobs/buttons/etc. to different screen sizes across models.

Car companies don't tend to custom-design knobs/buttons/etc. for each model. They tend to reuse the same ones across many models to save on development and manufacturing costs. They also already modularize these knobs and buttons across different "accessory classes". You can probably see this in your own car even, if you see anywhere on your car's center console or dashboard which has plastic caps where it seems like more buttons or knobs belong. Those are likely buttons/knobs for additional functions in optional feature packages.

Also, even for the same screen size across models, you'd still likely need custom bezels since most models are differently sized and thus have different dashboard shapes/sizes within which the screen is mounted.

Especially with how high-resolution touchscreens in cars are becoming in new models, I doubt they're cheaper than a handful of plastic knobs and buttons.

My guess is that it's exactly what they said. It's probably harder from a software perspective to adapt touch-screen-based interfaces like Android Auto and Apple Car Play to physical controls, and those difficulties probably come up over and over as the versions of these interfaces on the phones are constantly being updated, and the car must continue supporting more and more versions at one time.

Re:Mazda is purging touchscreens from its vehicles by whyenot on Monday June 17, 2019 @03:41PM (#20206587)
Especially with how high-resolution touchscreens in cars are becoming in new models, I doubt they're cheaper than a handful of plastic knobs and buttons.

Every modern car is going to have an infotainment system with a screen. A better question would be whether it is cheaper to have a touch version of that screen or to have buttons for the interface. I suspect that touch would be cheaper than buttons.

Re:Mazda is purging touchscreens from its vehicles by gsnedders on Monday June 17, 2019 @04:22PM (#20206935)
Especially now the US and Canada requires reversing cameras in all new cars, there has to be a screen in the car; the question then becomes whether it's worthwhile designing a second infotainment system that doesn't require that (somewhat costly) large colour screen for lower end trims in markets where reversing cameras aren't mandatory, and it seems to be that manufacturers think that isn't worth the cost.
Re:Mazda is purging touchscreens from its vehicles by petre on Tuesday June 18, 2019 @12:06AM (#20209697)
I wish they did that in the EU. Reversing cameras are massively useful, especially in vehicles with low visibility such as the Toyota CH-R.
Re:Mazda is purging touchscreens from its vehicles by rbanffy on Wednesday June 19, 2019 @06:52AM (#20222235)
Wouldn't it be better just to make cars with good visibility?
Re:Mazda is purging touchscreens from its vehicles by petre on Wednesday June 19, 2019 @01:40PM (#20225346)
Yes it would. That's why I'd never buy the Toyota CH-R. We have a Civic with bad enough visibility already, thank you.
Re:Mazda is purging touchscreens from its vehicles by namdnay on Tuesday June 18, 2019 @01:00AM (#20209910)
Really? As much as I like the comfort of the rear radars for big vehicles, I’ve always found the camera a bit useless
Re:Mazda is purging touchscreens from its vehicles by atq2119 on Tuesday June 18, 2019 @01:36AM (#20210055)
As somebody who doesn't own a car anymore but somewhat regularly rents very different kinds of cars, I have to say that reverse parking is massively easier with a camera.

Back when I always used to drive the same car I got used to its dimensions of course, but that just doesn't happen when you merely occasionally drive very different cars.

Re:Mazda is purging touchscreens from its vehicles by Piskvorrr on Tuesday June 18, 2019 @07:00AM (#20211616)
The sensors are nice, but sensors+camera improve on that by an order of magnitude - you do not see behind your car, no matter how much you think you do. Especially small people aka children are completely hidden from the driver's point of view by the rear of the car - which is exactly in the camera's center of field.
Re:Mazda is purging touchscreens from its vehicles by SNACKeR99 on Tuesday June 18, 2019 @02:06PM (#20216307)
I got a shocking example of this recently. I was towing a trailer behind my vehicle for a 14' boat (the trailer was quite a bit longer than that). I was really surprised that I could not see it AT ALL in my rear view mirror when the boat was not on it. Meaning there is at least 16' behind my vehicle where I cannot see something about 2' tall or shorter.
Re:Mazda is purging touchscreens from its vehicles by tracker1 on Wednesday June 19, 2019 @11:47AM (#20224368)
I LOVE mine... with the guide lines for reversing, I always center into the space as desired... it's easier than pulling in forward even. For times when the neighboring spaces are wonky, it's easier to short shrift the passenger side, aligned with the other car's passenger side, so worst case you have to pull out to let a passenger in.

Also, if every other car parked forward/reverse then the more cramped spaces wouldn't be as difficult. Note, I live in AZ, USA where more than half the cars are full sized or larger vehicles. So parking lots designed for cities with smaller vehicles are particularly difficult.

Re:Mazda is purging touchscreens from its vehicles by isostatic on Tuesday June 18, 2019 @07:58AM (#20212041)
That's what I thought, but I've rented a couple with camears and they are really useful - the overlays which shows where your wheels will go with your current steering position etc.

The last car I rented had a 360 degree camera which showed a top down picture of the car and surroundings!

Re:Mazda is purging touchscreens from its vehicles by JangoSteve on Monday June 17, 2019 @03:48PM (#20206626)
Yeah, that's a good point. The question here isn't whether or not to have an infotainment system that integrates with Android Auto and Apple Car Play, it's whether to interface with it via a touch screen or physical input (or both).
Re:Mazda is purging touchscreens from its vehicles by bahmboo on Monday June 17, 2019 @07:41PM (#20208386)
I think that's only half true. There are standardized controls but the dash configurations and wiring harnesses are specific to each model and then even for only a few years. So I'm in agreement with the BOM arguement generally. Also it's a marketing selling point. Consumer wants the shiny new thing.